Climate Change

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

That IF is doing a lot of heavy lifting as iirc Equinor the Norwegian state oil company said 90% of Rosebanks oil reserves will be sold on the open market with the most likely destination being continental Europe, other than that though you are absolutely right

Per capita means nothing? It means everything, it means as individuals we are responsible for more, thought you as a libertarian would be in favour of individual responsibility, obviously not

That IF is doing a lot of heavy lifting as iirc Equinor the Norwegian state oil company said 90% of Rosebanks oil reserves will be sold on the open market with the most likely destination being continental Europe, other than that though you are absolutely right

We can agree there.

Per capita means nothing? It means everything, it means as individuals we are responsible for more, thought you as a libertarian would be in favour of individual responsibility, obviously not

We remain in disagreement. Individuals are consumers having invested in what there is. When the government seeks to change what there is, then if it costs an arm and a leg for people currently having a dfficult time, then it's wrong.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Obviously not a movie fan, I’m sure others here get the reference.

What's the movie?

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

And you, Ian, need to get real and stop virtue signalling

Do you actually think before playing the "Dial A Trope" game?

The G7 have a duty to demonstrate, to the world, how to bring down our Greenhouse Gas production. Not only because we, historically, have contributed significantly to it but, more importantly, why should India or China do anything when are are not?

Originally Posted by ianch99

What's the movie?

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Do you actually think before playing the "Dial A Trope" game?

The G7 have a duty to demonstrate, to the world, how to bring down our Greenhouse Gas production. Not only because we, historically, have contributed significantly to it but, more importantly, why should India or China do anything when are are not?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Hugh

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A meme to the rescue! Thank you

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by ianch99

…we, historically, have contributed significantly to it but, more importantly, why should India or China do anything when are are not?

Historically, maybe, but not now. We have done more than any other country to get where we are now and the commitments we have made to get to net zero by 2050 are unchanged and will be honoured.

Given that, we should be focussing now on what other countries, who are currently contributing far more to the excess carbon being generated, are doing.

Agonising on what happened here in the past is not helpful or appropriate. What is important is where we are now and the extent to which other countries are honouring their own commitments.

But of course, it’s easier for the usual suspects just to continue to bash Britain at every opportunity. As always, that’s a given.

[jfman]

Is there a source for the claim “more than any other country”? Or is it just typical hyperbole?

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

We have done more than any other country to get where we are now

Based on what ?

[jonbxx]

The UK is pretty good at greenhouse gas emissions but it is worth considering how we are where we are. A big contribution would be outsourcing heavy greenhouse gas emitting activities to other countries such as China and India.

It’s a great way to reduce emissions locally but does nothing globally. Emissions based import taxation will hopefully push countries to clean up their act.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

What's the movie?

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Do you actually think before playing the "Dial A Trope" game?

The G7 have a duty to demonstrate, to the world, how to bring down our Greenhouse Gas production. Not only because we, historically, have contributed significantly to it but, more importantly, why should India or China do anything when are are not?

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What are you on about? We bloody outsource most of our manufacturing to China and India. They are the tonnage polluters. Our piffling 1% will beggar us and they will continue laughing.

What’s wrong with you?

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[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

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What are you on about? We bloody outsource most of our manufacturing to China and India. They are the tonnage polluters. Our piffling 1% will beggar us and they will continue laughing.

What’s wrong with you?

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Correct Seph, our outsuorcing manufacturing does nothing to reduce or overall CO2 pollution, it just puts on someone else. The company then can sell the excess allowance (as it hasn't produced in the UK) on the open maket.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Is there a source for the claim “more than any other country”? Or is it just typical hyperbole?

Why, do you know different?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Why, do you know different?

I'll file it under 'H' for hyperbole.

[OLD BOY]

We are doing pretty well as a country here, despite your wishing to talk this country down at every opportunity. The PM made clear at the Conservative Party Conference that the UK is doing more to achieve its targets than any other country and therefore we have flexibility to relax some of the downsides for the population.

We’re certainly doing well on reducing our reliance on fossil fuels.

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[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

We are doing pretty well as a country here, despite your wishing to talk this country down at every opportunity. The PM made clear at the Conservative Party Conference that the UK is doing more to achieve its targets than any other country and therefore we have flexibility to relax some of the downsides for the population.

We’re certainly doing well on reducing our reliance on fossil fuels.

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That'll do, thanks. Not doing more than any other country instead doing the entirely subjective "well".

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What are you on about? We bloody outsource most of our manufacturing to China and India. They are the tonnage polluters. Our piffling 1% will beggar us and they will continue laughing.

What’s wrong with you?

So it will be easy then