UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Julian

Not just in this thread but PLEASE can we stop posting links that require subscription.

It's so annoying when you want to read the source article but can't......

There's a way to access a lot of paywall content, often by Googling the headlines or registering for a limited number of free articles a month. Which in Mr K's lucky case, gave him free access to the Telegraph forever!

Like TV content, some premium news content is not available for free and is not available elsewhere.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

a) Compelling arguments are highly unlikely to be preceded with the words "What bollocks" and b) Someone resorting to such emotive language is not going to be swayed by a rational counter argument.

you could swap Bollocks for, poppycock, balderdash, nonsense. It wasn't emotive, I was trying to succinctly summarise what you had posted. I think I did a pretty good job too. I then went on to make several valid points that you ran away from.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

you could swap Bollocks for, poppycock, balderdash, nonsense. It wasn't emotive, I was trying to succinctly summarise what you had posted. I think I did a pretty good job too. I then went on to make several valid points that you ran away from.

I'm sure Hugh posted a comment about self-praise being no praise at all but you may not have seen it. Anyway, I digress. It looks like you might actually be serious so like a hungry fish, I'll bite.

Originally Posted by Pierre

What bollocks, nobody believes we are “entitled” and it is nothing to do with “British exceptionalism” which I haven’t seen any evidence of. There’s been plenty of EU exceptionalism however.

Are you simply cutting and pasting EU for British or do you have any evidence to back up your claim? Plenty of evidence to support British exceptionalism from the "they need us more than we need them" to the German car manufacturers driving to our rescue."

Originally Posted by Pierre

We just want a deal based on trade and equivalence of product standards, which is what you expect from a trade deal.

You might think that but in trade deals, everything including the kitchen sink is thrown in. Hence the statement about nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.

Originally Posted by Pierre

The EU are adding a political dimension to it, and it has bugger all with protecting the “single market” and everything to do with control and anti-competition.

The EU is the biggest protectionist outfit on the planet.

Yes it does. We can agree not to lessen standards from this point, but if we want to diverge away from EU legislation in the future it is reasonable and correct, as long as our product is still has equivalence. What the EU want is anti-competitive.

If the UK decided to subsidise its car manufacturers then the Single Market - a key selling point of EU membership - would be damaged by unfair competition from the UK.
In reality, this is highly unlikely as the UK is a high-cost, high-skills country so it should have nothing to fear by agreeing to a level playing field enforceable in British courts.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Why, don’t EU residents eat fish?

If they don’t buy our fish, I can see the headlines already as EU seafood restaurants hike prices or go out of business because they can’t get enough fish and Atlantic Shrimp.

Don’t be daft.

We've done the fishing argument before.

Also worth noting that the value of fish is all about freshness. New certification processes and port delays render it less fresh and therefore it will be worth less at European markets, potentially rendering it uneconomic to export. The law of unintended cobsequences.

Alright, so. France has basically shut the border and other EU states are following suit. An EU-wide closure is now possible.

This is a perfect opportunity for the UK to walk away from these sham negotiations and establish WTO terms with the EU. With cross border trade at a standstill already, it will prevent tedious remainiac reports on the BBC on new year’s day, blaming the logjam on Brexit. And we know they’ll try - many of us have yet to forget the BBC’s complicity in denying the pressure put on many of our communities by unmanaged intra-EU migration, as typified by their propagandist “nothing to see here” reporting from Heathrow and Victoria coach station on 1 January 2014 just because the entire populations of Bulgaria and Romania didn’t show up on day one.

[papa smurf]

FRANCE will aim to establish Europe-wide sanitary protocol measures "in the coming hours" to allow the resumption of traffic flows with the United Kingdom, transport minister Jean-Baptiste Djebbari has said.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-travel-update



https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...rance-12169250

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Chris

Alright, so. France has basically shut the border and other EU states are following suit. An EU-wide closure is now possible.

This is a perfect opportunity for the UK to walk away from these sham negotiations and establish WTO terms with the EU. With cross border trade at a standstill already, it will prevent tedious remainiac reports on the BBC on new year’s day, blaming the logjam on Brexit. And we know they’ll try - many of us have yet to forget the BBC’s complicity in denying the pressure put on many of our communities by unmanaged intra-EU migration, as typified by their propagandist “nothing to see here” reporting from Heathrow and Victoria coach station on 1 January 2014 just because the entire populations of Bulgaria and Romania didn’t show up on day one.

You forgot the population of Turkey as well....

---------- Post added at 11:46 ---------- Previous post was at 11:45 ----------

Originally Posted by papa smurf

FRANCE will aim to establish Europe-wide sanitary protocol measures "in the coming hours" to allow the resumption of traffic flows with the United Kingdom, transport minister Jean-Baptiste Djebbari has said.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-travel-update



https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...rance-12169250

The french being typically awkward and trying to prove a point

Oh wait, hang on.....

[Hom3r]

Some MPs are calling for the talks to be extended. Bearing in mind most of them wanted to stay.


Well no they've had enough time, they are more interested is plundering our fish stocks, they've already destroyed theirs.


As I said meany years ago, if it costs me my job then so be it I still want a no deal.


I did lose my job but this was coronavirus related.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

Some MPs are calling for the talks to be extended. Bearing in mind most of them wanted to stay.


Well no they've had enough time, they are more interested is plundering our fish stocks, they've already destroyed theirs.


As I said meany years ago, if it costs me my job then so be it I still want a no deal.


I did lose my job but this was coronavirus related.

Jingoistic drivel.

Evidence that shows 'they' have destroyed their own fish stocks please?

You've lost your job, genuinely sorry to hear that, but you would be happy for a potential double whammy of Covid & Brexit to allow for thousands, tens of thousandsm maybe even hundreds of thousands of people to find themselves in the same position that you do?

Such empathy, such a man....

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

Some MPs are calling for the talks to be extended. Bearing in mind most of them wanted to stay.


Well no they've had enough time, they are more interested is plundering our fish stocks, they've already destroyed theirs.


As I said meany years ago, if it costs me my job then so be it I still want a no deal.


I did lose my job but this was coronavirus related.

Easy to say you're happy to lose your job when you hate it and live at home with your dad...

[Carth]

10 days to go chaps, keep the futile arguments going, it's so funny

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Carth

10 days to go chaps, keep the futile arguments going, it's so funny

Debate is generally a good thing, it gives people the opportunity to learn and to question, quite why you think such a thing is futile and to decree it as a 'futile argument' is beyond me.

A shame really as you usually bring higher standards to discussions.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Debate is generally a good thing, it gives people the opportunity to learn and to question, quite why you think such a thing is futile and to decree it as a 'futile argument' is beyond me.

A shame really as you usually bring higher standards to discussions.

oh no I don't

There really isn't much to debate, we leave - with or without a deal - when the clock has stopped ringing in the new year, there will be no further extension fiasco, and a deal is looking as imminent as me wining the Euromillions lottery . . which I don't do.

[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Easy to say you're happy to lose your job when you hate it and live at home with your dad...

I never said I'd be happy, I just said I wanted a no deal even if it did cost mt job.


I didn't hate the job, I just got angry at the internal politics, where normal staff could influence the boss, just because they had been there over 40 years.


Yes I do live with dad, but given the current nightmare, I would have moved back home until this situation ends.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

oh no I don't

There really isn't much to debate, we leave - with or without a deal - when the clock has stopped ringing in the new year, there will be no further extension fiasco, and a deal is looking as imminent as me wining the Euromillions lottery . . which I don't do.

We've already left the EU, it's just the form our relationship with the EU that will be hammered out not only this year but in future years. So, there will always be a debate.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Carth

oh no I don't

There really isn't much to debate, we leave - with or without a deal - when the clock has stopped ringing in the new year, there will be no further extension fiasco, and a deal is looking as imminent as me wining the Euromillions lottery . . which I don't do.

I wouldn't discount Boris flip flopping again....