TiVo : General TiVo Discussion Part 2

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by Dave42

i know MM vm just reselling channels thats why i only mentioned bandwidth not studio and equipment my point was sky got no debt VM got massive debt and managed free HD

Sky had the HD charge to recoup the increased broadcast costs involved with HD, admittedly some 5 years on you would have expected it to be reviewed , I guess it will be looked at when subscriber numbers take a sharp decline remember Sky+ functionality cost 10.00 for a good while until the charge was dropped for Sky TV customers. Anyway back on topic is the 500gb TIVO 40.00 from tomorrow my father is after one.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

Sky had the Had charge to recoup the increased broadcast costs involved with HD admittedly some 5 years on you would have expected it to be reviewed , I guess it will be looked at when subscriber number take a sharp decline remember Sky+ functionality cost 10.00 for a good while until the charge was dropped for Sky TV customers.

yes just think they could lower HD charge with all the money they made from it and least they did one good think with going per account instead of per box that was greed imo

i waiting till sky sports red button on tivo before i change v+ box for a second tivo box

[muppetman11]

Interesting read with TIVO mentioned , apologies if this has been posted.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/new...d-network.html

[HD Boy]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

Interesting read with TIVO mentioned , apologies if this has been posted.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/new...d-network.html

News to me

[denphone]

Originally Posted by devilincarnate

Thanks for the MM I thought that I was going mad again

No you are not mad and never have been.

[zantarous]

Originally Posted by devilincarnate

Yes HD does cost more than SD, But what I meant about Dave why would they need all of that new stuff when all the show are from the BBC? So why would they need new studios etc.

They would need a lot more bandwidth, you can broadcast about 8 SD channels with the same bandwidth it takes to broadcast one HD channle although with MPEG4 being used by Sky that maybe more efficient. Next you need HD playout facilities whether you do that inhouse or via a third party that also cost a lot of money.

[BenMcr]

UKTV uses Red Bee for it's channel playout facilities http://www.redbeemedia.com/news/uktv...-red-bee-media

Same people who do Channel 4's playout

As they already have HD facilities I doubt that the costs would be that much greater than for SD playout

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

UKTV uses Red Bee for it's channel playout facilities http://www.redbeemedia.com/news/uktv...-red-bee-media

Same people who do Channel 4's playout

As they already have HD facilities I doubt that the costs would be that much greater than for SD playout

If this was the case many more channels would have switched to HD , personally can't see that being correct.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

If this was the case many more channels would have switched to HD , personally can't see that being correct.

HD is only worth doing if you have the HD content though

Originally Posted by Dave42

well vm managed HD free except sky premium HD of course sky charge not VM's dont they have same costs with bandwidth ect and remember VM got massive debt sky aint

Actually, Sky reported in July 2011 Adjusted Net Debt of £1,518 million....

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

HD is only worth doing if you have the HD content though

True , fair point.

[HD Boy]

I would like to see More4 going HD soon

[zantarous]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

UKTV uses Red Bee for it's channel playout facilities http://www.redbeemedia.com/news/uktv...-red-bee-media

Same people who do Channel 4's playout

As they already have HD facilities I doubt that the costs would be that much greater than for SD playout

But they would still need to pay to male use of their HD suites look at Paramount they still won't pay to have Comedy Central or music MTV channels moved to widescreen cable suites even though the play out facility they use has them.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Actually, Sky reported in July 2011 Adjusted Net Debt of £1,518 million....

But the difference is as you know that Sky generates huge revenues and is supported by a company with huge resources and Virgin have not got that at their disposal and have debts of £5,800 million...

[Perfect Choice]

Suspect this has always been the case but noticed yesterday that if you look at the EPG when a planned recording is scheduled and you have set up padding (2 minutes say), the actual recording icon is shown against the previous programme the padding covers and not your planned programme. This is the case until the time passes to the scheduled programme and then the recording icon moves to the planned programme to be recorded.

Looks very strange if you just happen to look at the EPG during the padding period and initially makes you think you’ve set up the wrong programme to record or that was the reaction of my family last night when this was spotted.

Tivo seems to have a knack on making things difficult when they should be straight forward. The recording icon should be shown for the programme you want to record that all and not move around to cover the short recording periods either end of your planned programme if padding is set. Just wait until global padding is available and users “miss-interpret” what the EPG shows!

While Tivo certainly has useful features and the only way today to get to a 1TB storage capacity essential for regular HD recording, I have to say Tivo has the worst user interface I’ve even seen. It seems to have been designed by geeks to be watched by geeks not consumers. My family finds it so frustrating and this is not a case of additional options as I’ve seen as a reply to comments like this, it is simple bad UI design written to be functional not practical/convenient.

A usability design/simplification should certainly be considered by VM and something Tivo need to learn from.