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Re: Brexit
TM doesn’t know how to negotiate and they are taking full advantage of that. I can’t blame them for doing that, but when they pile on the nasty stuff, and particularly pretend that they must protect theGF when what they really want is to keep us trapped so that we can’t compete with them properly, then we shouldn’t have too much more to do with them.
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Originally Posted by Damien
Grow up. You want to leave the EU entirely, you pay the fee the other people do.
While that’s ultimately true, what you lot don’t do is accept how nasty they are.
While that’s ultimately true, what you lot don’t do is accept how nasty they are.
What is actually nasty about it?
We are leaving 'entirely' under this assumption which makes us no different to the United States or Hong Kong to the EU who have to go though the same process with the same fee: https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/eti...ies-need-etias
So what's 'nasty' about them treating as the same as everybody else?
This is what leaving the EU is. You don't get to leave, have no deal, but have special treatment.
The EU has already begun to implement the system which preauthorises the entry of citizens from a special list of countries, who do not require full visas.
"Once ETIAS enters into operation, all visa-exempt non-EU nationals who plan to travel to the Schengen area will have to apply via ETIAS," a European Commission source told Sky News.
This is what leaving the EU is. You don't get to leave, have no deal, but have special treatment.
Exactly. Otherwise, you're a Schrödinger's Brexiter - wanting to leave the EU and its institutions entirely whilst at the same time keeping all the benefits of membership. Aka, BoJo's infamous cake-and-eat-it speech.
I personally don't think it will actually happen. I think we'll come to some arrangement that maintains the travel circumstances we have now, maybe even let us use the EU passport control.
Well, since we don’t want Freedom of Movement, there will be additional administration required to check travellers, which will cost - just like the USA ESTA.
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Raab, Davis, Gove, Johnson.. All Brexiters. All are, or have been in a position to influence the negotiations, therefore arguably steering the ship.
So, yes, they can be blamed.
You forgot Gove, Grayling, McVey, Leadsom, Mordaunt, Javid, Hunt, Williamson, Hancock, Truss - all in the Cabinet, all pro-Brexit.
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Raab, Davis, Gove, Johnson.. All Brexiters. All are, or have been in a position to influence the negotiations, therefore arguably steering the ship.
So, yes, they can be blamed.
Stop talking bollocks Stuart - No they cannot. I repeat, the Remainers in government and civil service are totally to blame and nothing YOU say, changes that!!!
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Originally Posted by Hugh
You forgot Gove, Grayling, McVey, Leadsom, Mordaunt, Javid, Hunt, Williamson, Hancock, Truss - all in the Cabinet, all pro-Brexit.
Stop talking bollocks Stuart - No they cannot. I repeat, the Remainers in government and civil service are totally to blame and nothing YOU say, changes that!!!
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Or you!
Well it’s just their opinion on it as the idea they’re not is yours. My opinion is they were part of cabinet, part of government, people who campaigned for it and in some cases involved with the process so they share some blame.
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