UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

I think this country is resilient enough to work through whatever the consequences of No Deal might be. I think we need to bring it on now, work through the initial problems and then see what new negotiations throw up some time next year. Given HMG’s consistent willingness to characterise its negotiating position as unalterable because that’s what Brexit voters demanded, I predict next spring their position won’t have changed. The EU, however, might be more willing if it starts to see us sourcing goods from elsewhere in the world where costs and tariffs are lower.

The word unprecedented has been worn out this year, but it's quite unusual for a country to be negotiating down from a level of closeness and integration to a trading bloc as oppose to negotiating up from WTO terms. The latter is psychologically easier as you won't be losing anything.

[Carth]

Strange post . . . we're negotiating a No Deal, let the EU negotiate up from that

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The word unprecedented has been worn out this year, but it's quite unusual for a country to be negotiating down from a level of closeness and integration to a trading bloc as oppose to negotiating up from WTO terms. The latter is psychologically easier as you won't be losing anything.

You are only looking at things from the economics perspective.
That's always been your position.

But the corrosive intrusion on our sovereignty by Brussels and their one-size-fits-all approach to our daily lives is what 52% of the population voted to abandon; Project Fear made them more than aware of the potential economic risks.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The word unprecedented has been worn out this year, but it's quite unusual for a country to be negotiating down from a level of closeness and integration to a trading bloc as oppose to negotiating up from WTO terms. The latter is psychologically easier as you won't be losing anything.

So the USSR didn't split up, along with Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Ethiopia, etc?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

So the USSR didn't split up, along with Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Ethiopia, etc?

I'm not sure that the various wars in Yugoslavia after the war could be deemed called trade negotiations.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm not sure that the various wars in Yugoslavia after the war could be deemed called trade negotiations.

Somebody was sure to come out quite a bit richer

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You are only looking at things from the economics perspective.
That's always been your position.

But the corrosive intrusion on our sovereignty by Brussels and their one-size-fits-all approach to our daily lives is what 52% of the population voted to abandon; Project Fear made them more than aware of the potential economic risks.

We cede sovereignty all the time from paying taxes to not setting off nuclear bombs all over the place. We do this willingly if there is a clear benefit or unwillingly if the consequences of not complying are worse than the ceding of sovereignty itself.

What will become clearer over the next few months is if the warm fuzzy feeling of 'our' out of touch politicians making decisions is better than 'foreign' out of touch politicians is worth it

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

We cede sovereignty all the time from paying taxes to not setting off nuclear bombs all over the place. We do this willingly if there is a clear benefit or unwillingly if the consequences of not complying are worse than the ceding of sovereignty itself.

What will become clearer over the next few months is if the warm fuzzy feeling of 'our' out of touch politicians making decisions is better than 'foreign' out of touch politicians is worth it

But we will be able to change 'our' out of touch politicians with a different set of out of touch politicians.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by pip08456

But we will be able to change 'our' out of touch politicians with a different set of out of touch politicians.

You can also do that with the EU parliament - there are elections.

A movable feast these Brexit deadlines. All the ones Theresa May had. Bozzo's last absolute deadline was mid October, then there's been about another 20 deadlines since then. Latest one in Sunday but now we're told it might not be.....

If we were confident and genuine about no deal the deadline wouldn't have shifted once...

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Mr K

You can also do that with the EU parliament - there are elections.

Our representative on the Council too

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mr K

A movable feast these Brexit deadlines. All the ones Theresa May had. Bozzo's last absolute deadline was mid October, then there's been about another 20 deadlines since then. Latest one in Sunday but now we're told it might not be.....

If we were confident and genuine about no deal the deadline wouldn't have shifted once...

Yes. It says - we need them.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

You can also do that with the EU parliament - there are elections.

A movable feast these Brexit deadlines. All the ones Theresa May had. Bozzo's last absolute deadline was mid October, then there's been about another 20 deadlines since then. Latest one in Sunday but now we're told it might not be.....

If we were confident and genuine about no deal the deadline wouldn't have shifted once...

... who gang up on the UK much of the time.

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

Our representative on the Council too

... one against the other 27. See the WTD for details.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Yes. It says - we need them.

or maybe the EU say "hang on, don't walk away, give us a month to try to sort our end out"

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Yes. It says - we need them.

... except we need them not to dictate our laws.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Carth

or maybe the EU say "hang on, don't walk away, give us a month to try to sort our end out"

Did the EU President go rushing to London , or Bozzo rush to Brussels ?? Always a clue.