21-11-2021, 09:08
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Re: GB News
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He wasn’t exactly stealing the collection tins either though was he?
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The brand association is worth more than a few quid in the collection box any day of the week.
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21-11-2021, 09:11
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Re: GB News
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The brand association is worth more than a few quid in the collection box any day of the week.
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If they can do without Nigel's contribution they can do without mine.
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21-11-2021, 09:33
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Re: GB News
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If they can do without Nigel's contribution they can do without mine.
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Nigel's contribution by itself would have been accepted, as is anyone else's.
Nigel's use of their brand and reputation, and implication he had gone through their volunteer process to be able to help fundraise as their representative when he hadn't was the problem.
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21-11-2021, 18:15
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Re: GB News
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Well I don't know under what capacity he is there but that did seem a bit weird he got a free plug for this company out of it......
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It's a Leave-supporting Government in charge of all of this. It was Boris Johnson's deal as well.
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Government doesn’t control all the inner workings. But absolutely nothing to do with the EU punishing us for daring to leave their power hungry empire.
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21-11-2021, 18:55
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Re: GB News
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Government doesn’t control all the inner workings. But absolutely nothing to do with the EU punishing us for daring to leave their power hungry empire.
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I think Frosty criticised Brexit when he worked for the Scottish Whisky Association so you could have stumbled onto something here.
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01-12-2021, 23:19
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I'm afraid GB News has lost credibility in most people's eyes tonight. Donald Trump declared the election was rigged several times in his interview but he was not challenged by the interviewer, Nigel Farage.
How does this fit with:
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Our Editorial Charter
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Holding our leaders, our society and ourselves accountable.
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https://www.gbnews.uk/our-editorial-charter
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01-12-2021, 23:28
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Re: GB News
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
I'm afraid GB News has lost credibility in most people's eyes tonight. Donald Trump declared the election was rigged several times in his interview but he was not challenged by the interviewer, Nigel Farage.
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https://www.gbnews.uk/our-editorial-charter
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Oh please, Andrew.
Farage brought off a major coup for GB News. A gripping 2 hours. BBC et al cannot compete with his style of objective journalism.
So what Farage didn't challenge Trump's claims of a rigged election? Farage is the interviewer not the Democrat candidate.
How do you justify "... in most people's eyes"?
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01-12-2021, 23:50
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Re: GB News
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Oh please, Andrew.
Farage brought off a major coup for GB News. A gripping 2 hours. BBC et al cannot compete with his style of objective journalism.
So what Farage didn't challenge Trump's claims of a rigged election? Farage is the interviewer not the Democrat candidate.
How do you justify "... in most people's eyes"?
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I have observed that Andrew has a tendency to assume “most people” agree with whatever he thinks about something. His posts on here tend to suggest that anyway.
I doubt tonight’s interview will have had any impact on “most people” because most people didn’t see it. I doubt it changed the opinion of most people who did see it, because I suspect by now GB News’ audience is fairly self-selecting, notwithstanding the handful of lefties who seem to get a fetish-like kick out of getting triggered by it on a nightly basis.
All that said, your claim that Farage is producing objective journalism is absurd, as is your suggestion that for an interviewer to adopt a politically contrary position for the purposes of debate means they might as well be a member of the rival political party. Nigel Farage makes good TV because he’s opinionated, but he doesn’t make good political interviews when his views are fairly well aligned with the person he’s interviewing, because he isn’t a journalist and he lacks the skill to probe, challenge or extract new insight from his subject.
If David Frost had approached his interviews with Richard Nixon in the manner you seem to approve of, the series would have been nothing more than the soft historical footnote Nixon’s team had desperately hoped for, rather than something so significant, Nixon sympathisers continue to try to play it down to this day.
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02-12-2021, 00:08
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Re: GB News
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Oh please, Andrew.
Farage brought off a major coup for GB News. A gripping 2 hours. BBC et al cannot compete with his style of objective journalism.
So what Farage didn't challenge Trump's claims of a rigged election? Farage is the interviewer not the Democrat candidate.
How do you justify "... in most people's eyes"?
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How on earth can it be objective journalism when an interviewee's lies are allowed to go unchallenged on multiple occasions? It was neither objective nor journalism by any stretch of the imagination.
I expect most people would want to see a politician called out when they repeat the same lie. I'm disappointed that your admiration of Farage might prevent you from wanting the same.
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I have observed that Andrew has a tendency to assume “most people” agree with whatever he thinks about something. His posts on here tend to suggest that anyway.
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I don't think I've ever felt the need to state "most people" before so you're possibly confusing me with another poster.
But I think it's fair to assume that a politician repeating a lie on multiple occasions should be expected to be called out by an interviewer and most people would expect this to happen.
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All that said, your claim that Farage is producing objective journalism is absurd, as is your suggestion that for an interviewer to adopt a politically contrary position for the purposes of debate means they might as well be a member of the rival political party. Nigel Farage makes good TV because he’s opinionated, but he doesn’t make good political interviews when his views are fairly well aligned with the person he’s interviewing, because he isn’t a journalist and he lacks the skill to probe, challenge or extract new insight from his subject.
If David Frost had approached his interviews with Richard Nixon in the manner you seem to approve of, the series would have been nothing more than the soft historical footnote Nixon’s team had desperately hoped for, rather than something so significant, Nixon sympathisers continue to try to play it down to this day.
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Agreed. Trump chose someone who would give him an easy ride and none easier than Farage. This interview would have been far better conducted by Andrew Neil.
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02-12-2021, 11:39
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I watched it and Farage did actually challenge Trump’s obsession with the 2020 election being rigged. He said continuing with this rhetoric, isn’t helpful because it turns off a sizeable selection of his own base of voters, that Trump should move forward and not keep looking backwards, Trump rebuffed him saying he should do both.
President Joe Biden’s approval ratings are dire, he won’t run again and he’s looking very old and frail every day. Now who to turn to for 2024 ticket, Cackling Harris?
This would be the joke of the century, her approval ratings are worse than his. Democrats are a pathetic party, everything always goes tits up when they get a sniff of power, Bay of Pigs, under President Kennedy, the economy tanking under President Carter, to President Clinton, being impeached for alleged sexual antics under a certain Resolute desk, and then lying about them. President Obama, setting a red line with Syria and then doing nothing when it’s crossed and now President Biden and Afghanistan withdrawal. All Democrat disasters. They’re a crap disorganised and disgraceful party.
Trump could become the 47th President of the United States in 2024, or he could remain a one term president, he’s not in power now, but even today, 11 months after leaving office, his legacies are still pissing off the left, big fight to be had with the Roe vs. Wade, abortion rights quite possibly being overturned soon.
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02-12-2021, 11:52
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Re: GB News
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I watched it and Farage did actually challenge Trump’s obsession with the 2020 election being rigged. He said continuing with this rhetoric, isn’t helpful because it turns off a sizeable selection of his own base of voters, that Trump should move forward and not keep looking backwards, Trump rebuffed him saying he should do both.
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Did Farage call him out and say that the election was not rigged? It sounds like he just told him to move on.
No idea who the next President will be. Not been an abundance of talent vying for the role for a long time.
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02-12-2021, 11:57
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Re: GB News
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This would be the joke of the century, her approval ratings are worse than his. Democrats are a pathetic party, everything always goes tits up when they get a sniff of power, Bay of Pigs, under President Kennedy, the economy tanking under President Carter, to President Clinton, being impeached for alleged sexual antics under a certain Resolute desk, and then lying about them. President Obama, setting a red line with Syria and then doing nothing when it’s crossed and now President Biden and Afghanistan withdrawal. All Democrat disasters. They’re a crap disorganised and disgraceful party.
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Iraq, Watergate?
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Trump could become the 47th President of the United States in 2024, or he could remain a one term president, he’s not in power now, but even today, 11 months after leaving office, his legacies are still pissing off the left, big fight to be had with the Roe vs. Wade, abortion rights quite possibly being overturned soon.
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Revoking abortion rights is a much bigger thing than simply 'pissing off the left'. Tens of thousands of women will be denied legal abortions. You might like that Trump has done that or not but it should be for reasons other than 'pissing off the left'. It's not a game, these actions have consequences on peoples lives that extend far beyond peoples' feelings on Trump.
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02-12-2021, 12:31
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Re: GB News
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Did Farage call him out and say that the election was not rigged? It sounds like he just told him to move on.
No idea who the next President will be. Not been an abundance of talent vying for the role for a long time.
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So Farage, challenged him to move on from the past. Trump’s mind is made, he feels cheated and so does most of his base. But as Farage pointed out, keep going on about voting irregularities, can actually put off the very people Trump needs for him to win. But he will always feel cheated, a bit like you Remainers felt cheated when you legitimately lost the EU Referendum and tried to overturn it by demanding another vote.
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Iraq, Watergate?
Revoking abortion rights is a much bigger thing than simply 'pissing off the left'. Tens of thousands of women will be denied legal abortions. You might like that Trump has done that or not but it should be for reasons other than 'pissing off the left'. It's not a game, these actions have consequences on peoples lives that extend far beyond peoples' feelings on Trump.
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I’m prolife, and I don’t see anything wrong with this. Abortion, killing an innocent life, being able to abort a fetus, right up to baby being born, is plain wrong, because it’s unwanted, is pure evil. Having an abortion for a medical reason, something is wrong with the fetus or the mothers own health, I can accept.
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To add, if Roe falls in the U.S Supreme Court, it doesn’t automatically mean abortion rights are revoked in the U.S. It will just fall back to pre-Roe days of each State deciding it’s own abortion rights and laws. Lots of women getting eat up about losing their rights if Roe falls, they won’t.
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02-12-2021, 13:17
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Re: GB News
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Iraq, Watergate?
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If Blair's accused of being a war criminal, the same can equally be said of George W Bush. He shouldn't be excused because he's in the Republican Party. But I'm in danger of being off topic, apologies.
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02-12-2021, 14:12
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Re: GB News
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If Blair's accused of being a war criminal, the same can equally be said of George W Bush. He shouldn't be excused because he's in the Republican Party. But I'm in danger of going off topic, apologies.
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Just because I am a Conservative and would, if I lived in America always vote Republican, doesn't mean everything the 43rd President of the U.S did was right, just because he was a Republican president, this is a fanciful suggestion. The Iraq war was wrong, has been proven to be wrong and I don't rate either of the Bush's presidencies that highly.
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