11-02-2023, 15:49
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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If Hugh disagrees with me, he's fooling himself.
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Hugh agrees with reality, but disagrees with Sephiroth - "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"
Unless, of course, Sephiroth can provide evidence* to back up his assertion that
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the Police are gearing up for London being a majority non-white city in the near future
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such as statistics showing that London will be "majority non-white in the near future" and policy papers/plans that state the Met are "gearing up" for this…
nb - non-evidence based opinion pieces from the Telegraph/Spectator/Farage don’t count…
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11-02-2023, 16:07
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Hugh agrees with reality, but disagrees with Sephiroth…
Unless, of course, Sephiroth can provide evidence* to back up his assertion that
such as statistics showing that London will be "majority non-white in the near future" and policy papers/plans that state the Met are "gearing up" for this…
nb - non-evidence based opinion pieces from the Telegraph/Spectator/Farage don’t count…
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If you put these two links together, you have the proof.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/white-bri...on-birmingham/
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White British people are the minority in London and Birmingham, the UK's two largest cities, for the first time since records began, according to new census figures.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...epted-met-bid/
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..... Mr Parr said setting ambitious targets both around the number of police recruits and diversity was understandable, but that it increased the risk of lowering standards and recruiting people who were not suited to the job.
He said there was even anecdotal evidence that some applicants were being accepted even though they were “functionally illiterate in English” and had difficulty writing up crime reports.
Mr Parr told The Telegraph: “We completely support the idea that London - which will likely be a minority white city in the next decade or so - should not be policed by an overwhelmingly white police force.
“That is clearly wrong. It is not just wrong from a legitimacy point of view, and from an appearances point of view, it is also operationally wrong because it means that the Met does not get insight into some of the communities it polices and that has caused problems in the past.
“So we completely support the drive to make the Met much more representative of the community it serves than it is at the moment.”
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The Telegraph is reputable.
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11-02-2023, 16:15
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Re: Britain outside the EU
I see the goalposts have moved from London being "majority non-white" to "minority White British"… 
There is nothing in the Telegraph article to support your assertion
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the Police are gearing up for London being a majority non-white city in the near future - with all the cultural clashes that could bring.
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Meanwhile, back in reality…
https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/e...on-projections
"Other White" is European/Australian/NZ/American/Canadian/etc…
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11-02-2023, 16:29
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Re: Britain outside the EU
Like it or not, it's coming.
https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures....c%20minorities
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2021 Census data for England and Wales shows that:
the most ethnically diverse region was London – 46.2% of residents identified with Asian, black, mixed or ‘other’ ethnic groups, and a further 17.0% with white ethnic minorities
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11-02-2023, 17:28
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Re: Britain outside the EU
The only "cultural clashes" happening are those from the fascist right, terrorising asylum seekers and burning police vehicles:
Far-right protesters clash with police at Merseyside hotel housing asylum seekers
A direct result of the toxic Tory policy towards asylum seekers.
"as you sow, so shall you reap"
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Why do you have a problem with a multi-cultural London?
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11-02-2023, 17:35
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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11-02-2023, 17:45
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Why do you have a problem with a multi-cultural London?
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Not all cultures mix well. Some cultures are utterly alien to ours, bringing their crime and attitudes with them.
But what matters to me is that we see what's going on, smell the coffee and understand that you can expect no-go areas in London as certain cultures dominate. That's already been seen in East London.
Then, if you have a considerably higher ethnic balance in the police force, and if those ethnic officers retain their culture, justice and good order is likely to suffer.
My fears are echoed in Sweden.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/pol...ers-in-sweden/
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Social Democrat Swedish Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson declared on Tuesday that she stands against ‘ethnic clusters’ in the country in a bid to defend the earlier controversial declarations of her Integration Minister on “non-Nordic” residents.
In the run-up to the September elections, the ruling Social Democrats are toughening their stance on integration issues in the face of the breakthrough of the far right in the polls. According to the latest opinion poll from SVT/Novus published on Monday, the Social Democrats stood at 27.8%, followed by the eurosceptic Sweden Democrat party at 21.5%.
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You'll note that this is in response to "far-right" voting sentiments (by ordinary, very nice Swedes).. Some cultures don't mix here, nor in Sweden, nor in Germany etc. Your hysteric term "fascist" is misplaced. Cultures clash and that brings out extremes that would otherwise stay quiet.
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11-02-2023, 18:59
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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A direct result of the toxic Tory policy towards asylum seekers.
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 You do realise that not everything in the country is the result of a "Tory" policy.
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11-02-2023, 20:14
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Not all cultures mix well. Some cultures are utterly alien to ours, bringing their crime and attitudes with them.
But what matters to me is that we see what's going on, smell the coffee and understand that you can expect no-go areas in London as certain cultures dominate. That's already been seen in East London.
Then, if you have a considerably higher ethnic balance in the police force, and if those ethnic officers retain their culture, justice and good order is likely to suffer.
My fears are echoed in Sweden.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/pol...ers-in-sweden/
You'll note that this is in response to "far-right" voting sentiments (by ordinary, very nice Swedes).. Some cultures don't mix here, nor in Sweden, nor in Germany etc. Your hysteric term "fascist" is misplaced. Cultures clash and that brings out extremes that would otherwise stay quiet.
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Evidence of "no go areas" in East London, please?
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11-02-2023, 20:18
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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You do realise that not everything in the country is the result of a "Tory" policy. |
Correct, but you'll get the usual " but I no better" from him.
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11-02-2023, 20:21
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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The only "cultural clashes" happening are those from the fascist right, terrorising asylum seekers and burning police vehicles:
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Leicester: Hindus v Muslims
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Why do you have a problem with a multi-cultural London?
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Good question/point.
@Seph I partially lived in the Mile End (East London) for 5-6 years. The cockneys are integrated with the muslims that you could not tell them apart (except clothes/beard shape -if different) -they are all cockneys. I could not see any conflict. I was living near the station, was I in the wrong neighbourhood?
I am not Dulux brilliant white, but European white (lol)
South Africa has the full range of white colours: British white, French white Dutch white ...., and yes, they still have coloured (not black) people .... A friend of mine had no colour, he was mixed race Canadian-Malay, transparent colour?
What's the skin colour has to do with anything?
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11-02-2023, 20:33
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Evidence of "no go areas" in East London, please?
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Don't you remember the Sharia Law no-go areas a few years ago? That thinking hasn't gone away.
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Leicester: Hindus v Muslims
Good question/point.
@Seph I partially lived in the Mile End (East London) for 5-6 years. The cockneys are integrated with the muslims that you could not tell them apart (except clothes/beard shape -if different) -they are all cockneys. I could not see any conflict. I was living near the station, was I in the wrong neighbourhood?
I am not Dulux brilliant white, but European white (lol)
South Africa has the full range of white colours: British white, French white Dutch white ...., and yes, they still have coloured (not black) people .... A friend of mine had no colour, he was mixed race Canadian-Malay, transparent colour?
What's the skin colour has to do with anything?
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Nothing per se beyond the word "White" that the official statistics use.
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11-02-2023, 21:32
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Evidence of "no go areas" in East London, please?
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Don't you remember the Sharia Law no-go areas a few years ago? That thinking hasn't gone away.
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Nothing per se beyond the word "White" that the official statistics use.
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That’s a "none", then…
Unless you mean the half a dozen assholes in 2013-14 who were arrested and jailed…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musl...ents_in_London
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11-02-2023, 21:42
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Don't you remember the Sharia Law no-go areas a few years ago? That thinking hasn't gone away.[COLOR="Silver"]
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I think you’re confusing that with the M&M store
https://youtu.be/9GrH_PRKsf4
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11-02-2023, 21:47
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Re: Britain outside the EU
Very apposite..
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