07-04-2021, 12:20
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Re: Coronavirus
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What about vaccinated persistent Remainers?
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Well, I can think of one such person who ticks that box and will undoubtedly be given a Knighthood for helping save Leavers and Remainers alike from Coronavirus.
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07-04-2021, 15:20
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Re: Coronavirus
So as of last week, 130 or so cases of blood clotting side affects, after 30 odd million doses.
So potentially 4 in a 1,000,000 may develop an issue?
No need to panic then, but they will.
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07-04-2021, 16:03
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
So as of last week, 130 or so cases of blood clotting side affects, after 30 odd million doses.
So potentially 4 in a 1,000,000 may develop an issue?
No need to panic then, but they will.
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Would you vaccinate your kids?
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https://www.channel4.com/news/why-we...-advice-oxford
Channel 4’s story behind the story. Wonder who the ‘leading Government figure’ was and if any of today’s news would have seen the light of day if they hadn’t run with it.
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07-04-2021, 16:21
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#4639
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
So as of last week, 130 or so cases of blood clotting side affects, after 30 odd million doses.
So potentially 4 in a 1,000,000 may develop an issue?
No need to panic then, but they will.
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The odds narrow though when you slice the data by age and gender.
Even given a chance of death of four in a million or no chance of death with another vaccine I know which one most people would choose, everything else being equal.
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07-04-2021, 16:36
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Re: Coronavirus
Anyone on here ever been in a 'significant' road traffic accident?
Bet you still drive your car though . . . and take your kids with you
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07-04-2021, 16:46
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Re: Coronavirus
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Would you vaccinate your kids?
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No, and I'm on record on here no so long ago stating such.
There is no need. IMO, for any under 18's...........under 30's really without underlying conditions to be vaccinated, (in regards to the 18-30 unless they want to be)
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07-04-2021, 16:47
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Carth
Anyone on here ever been in a 'significant' road traffic accident?
Bet you still drive your car though . . . and take your kids with you
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I think that comment should really be in this thread.
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07-04-2021, 16:48
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
The odds narrow though when you slice the data by age and gender.
Even given a chance of death of four in a million or no chance of death with another vaccine I know which one most people would choose, everything else being equal.
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The deaths is not 4 in a million, that's cases. I believe there have still only been 7 deaths.
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07-04-2021, 16:56
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
The deaths is not 4 in a million, that's cases. I believe there have still only been 7 deaths.
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A few more - 19 deaths according to the MHRA.
We still want under 30s vaccinated by the way if we want herd immunity...
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07-04-2021, 17:09
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Re: Coronavirus
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A few more - 19 deaths according to the MHRA.
We still want under 30s vaccinated by the way if we want herd immunity...
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I'm not bothered about "herd immunity", as long as "at risk" groups are protected, hospitalisations are minimised to not over-burden the NHS and deaths are also greatly reduced. That's good enough.
Vaccinations should be a matter of choice, that's why I'm also against passports (domestic) and other means to coerce people.
And there is Zero evidence that kids need to be vaccinated.
19 deaths out of 30million doses..1 death per 1.5 million.
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07-04-2021, 17:12
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Re: Coronavirus
The more unvaccinated people who catch it and spread it (no matter what age they are), the more mutations will occur which the current vaccines may not work against.
Evidence shows that teenagers, particularly older teens, catch and spread it as much as adults.
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07-04-2021, 17:14
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Hugh
The more unvaccinated people who catch it and spread it (no matter what age they are), the more mutations will occur which the current vaccines may not work against.
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which is what happens every year with the flu.
It has already been acknowledged that we will have to be vaccinated annually, as we do with the flu.
Still no way I would force anyone to be vaccinated that did not want to be, or coerce anybody by denying them access to freedoms if they haven't.
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Evidence shows that teenagers, particularly older teens, catch and spread it as much as adults.
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So what? if you've been vaccinated.
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07-04-2021, 17:25
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
I don't think there's any doubt about the fact there's an identifiable risk given it's independently noted in the UK, Germany and others.
The question is whether it's an acceptable risk, which for a vaccination programme by consent hits problems for the members of the public who have been told they are extremely low risk of Covid complications anyway.
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Per the latest announcements from the MHRA, EMA and WHO, there is a noted association but still no demonstrated causal link.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56665150
There is, by definition, still doubt over whether there is an “identifiable risk” with the Oxford-AZ vaccine. A link is plausible and there are plausible hypotheses around causation.
But as I’m sure you’ll agree, it’s important to be led by the science and not state more or less than has been established.
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07-04-2021, 17:27
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Carth
Anyone on here ever been in a 'significant' road traffic accident?
Bet you still drive your car though . . . and take your kids with you
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But if I knew that the significant road accident could then cause a number of other road accidents, who would then go on to cause lots more road accidents, which would then go on to cause even greater numbers of road accidents - I probably wouldn't...
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Originally Posted by Pierre
which is what happens every year with the flu.
It has already been acknowledged that we will have to be vaccinated annually, as we do with the flu.
Still no way I would force anyone to be vaccinated that did not want to be, or coerce anybody by denying them access to freedoms if they haven't.
So what? if you've been vaccinated.
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But, and I can't repeat this often enough, it isn't the flu...
And if one of the mutations finds a way round the vaccine, that defeats all the work we have put in already.
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07-04-2021, 17:50
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