The traditional CF voting intentions thread, week 4

[1andrew1]

I too agree with Pierre and jfman that the Conservative Party needs to find its identity. It's trying to be all things to all people and this is not working out.

Is it pro-business, pro growth in which case it needs to relax planning laws and have closer ties with Europe and easier immigration? Or is it more populist and not pro-business at the expense of growth in which case it needs to do the reverse of the above?

Has it given up on its previous targeting of Metropolitan liberals with what were seen as progressive measures like gay marriage and moved instead to fight culture wars in areas such as gender identity?

Is it the Party that makes the case for law and order or is it the one that does not fund sufficient jail space so shoplifters go free and instead proposes cuts in NI contributions?

Is it the Party that encourages local devolved politics with regional mayors or is it the one that wants to impose central on policies it has ceased to like eg curtaling London's expanded Ulez area?

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

Me always me, I will never vote for KS party, and any vote other than Tory puts him in to no 10.

Nigel Farage said last night that a vote for the Conservatives will put Sir Keir in Downing Street.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Nigel Farage said last night that a vote for the Conservatives will put Sir Keir in Downing Street.

another lie, who'd have thought him, the man of the people capable

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

another lie, who'd have thought him, the man of the people capable

People get what they vote for. Little sympathy for the Brexit mugs if they are taken in again by Nige. They obviously have very short attention spans. He's delivered nothing for anyone except himself.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

People get what they vote for. Little sympathy for the Brexit mugs if they are taken in again by Nige. They obviously have very short attention spans. He's delivered nothing for anyone except himself.

Why would a lefty, such as yourself, want to join a Bloc that voted well right of centre, some might even say “far right”, at the recent elections?

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Nigel Farage said last night that a vote for the Conservatives will put Sir Keir in Downing Street.

Classic Farage, he is box office though. He gets so much screen time. I haven’t seen Ed Davey anywhere, on tv it’s wall to wall Farage.

If he does manage to get 1-3 MPs inclusive of himself, I think he’d still be more of an opposition that the Tories.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Classic Farage, he is box office though. He gets so much screen time. I haven’t seen Ed Davey anywhere, on tv it’s wall to wall Farage.

If he does manage to get 1-3 MPs inclusive of himself, I think he’d still be more of an opposition that the Tories.

He was getting more screen time even before he u-turned to become a candidate. The casual observer to Question Time could be forgiven for thinking he worked for the BBC.

I think the electoral system is stacked against smaller parties so he won't get any MPs. And he's not shown much appetite to campaign to reform the electoral system but appreciate one big campaign was a lifetime achievement, even if that campaign led to a smaller economy and larger unlawful immigration.

[denphone]

The portends for the Tories are not looking good.

New Westminster Voting Intention:

LAB: 46% (+2)
CON: 21% (-4)
REF: 13% (+3)
LDM: 11% (+2)
GRN: 5% (+1)
SNP: 2% (-1)

Via
@Savanta_UK
, On 12-14 June,
Changes w/ 7-9 June.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by denphone

The portends for the Tories are not looking good.

The good news for the Conservatives here is they're far ahead of Reform UK.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Who sets the budget for Wales? Not Labour.

If I were Celtic, I'd kick the invading Anglo Saxons (aka English) out of the UK. Take your country back, its the in thing to do

I'm OK, I have Welsh parents

exactly he was falling into the tory lies everything is never there fault

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Who sets the budget for Wales? Not Labour.

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Who spends it , wasted millions upon millions on a by-pass around Newport that was scrapped. building Huge car park in the middle of nowhere for it . Putting green street drains which are now mudflats . NHS makes England's look good, accepting £200,000 from a company for leadership campaign, never mind that they broke the law. Ignored a vote of no confidence in leader . and don't forget buying an airport that no one uses(OK a few do) its a great loss leader for showing off what great judgements they can make https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...wsApp_AppShare long read try it , wol is well known labour supporter

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Itshim

Who spends it , wasted millions upon millions on a by-pass around Newport that was scrapped. building Huge car park in the middle of nowhere for it . Putting green street drains which are now mudflats . NHS makes England's look good, accepting £200,000 from a company for leadership campaign, never mind that they broke the law. Ignored a vote of no confidence in leader . and don't forget buying an airport that no one uses(OK a few do) its a great loss leader for showing off what great judgements they can make https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...wsApp_AppShare long read try it , wol is well known labour supporter

of course the tories never waste millions or billons do they seriously

[Julian]

Originally Posted by Dave42

of course the tories never waste millions or billons do they seriously

So with no coherent ( unsurprisingly ) answer to the comment introduce whataboutery.
Tories are assholes for sure when it comes to spaffing money.
Don’t expect the next government to be any different when they get power.

Both as bad as each other.

[Mr K]

There's no money. We owe a lot to banks. Neither party are being honest. They can't be honest about taxes as the electorate are equally shallow, and want something for nothing.
The last 14 years have seriously screwed the country plus that bloody stupid Brexit thing just to save Dave's bacon (which it didn't and has made us much poorer. Dave's ok though, so thats fine.).
However one small section of society , select Tories and chums have remained unaffected, and indeed profited.
It is time for change the corrupt party need ditching. But this is no 1997 and I'm won't be popping champagne corks this time or expecting miracles. If only Jesus was standing, he could turn water into wine allegedly. But I think he also exaggerated.They all let you down in the end.

Originally Posted by Dave42

of course the tories never waste millions or billons do they seriously

What does that have to do with his points ?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Apparently Farage was skulking around the Tory Conference. He wants a safe seat so he can make a bid for the UKIP, sorry, Tory Party Leadership when they lose the next GE.

I made this prediction last year but worryingly, it is now looking a lot more likely. There is a real danger in the Tories being wiped out which would destabilise the two party system our politics is predicated upon. It will then open the door to a very right wing UKIP/Reform/Tory party, headed by Farage which then becomes the de facto opposition, at least in voter numbers, if not seats.

The reason why this is a problem is that Labour will, in all probability, fail to sufficiently turn around the country in 5 years given their current tax & expenditure position plus the degree of damage done by Tories/Brexit/Austerity/etc. The reason why this is an issue is the country could then lurch to the right falling for the lies of Farage, just like in 2016. This paints an ugly future for the country

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Why would a lefty, such as yourself, want to join a Bloc that voted well right of centre, some might even say “far right”, at the recent elections?

Good question. Why do lefty remoaners want to go skiddaddling to the EU where politics are fast becoming Far Right? Our soon to be Labour "leaders" will be out of step won't they? Oh dear.