Britain outside the EU

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Pre-Brexit, it made sense to place the French border in the UK and vice-versa. Post-Brexit, shouldn't that be reversed?

No, it's nothing to do with Brexit. Just sensible queue management.

Passengers arrive more-or-less randomly at the port/terminal, so the border control staff are kept constantly busy and the queues are normally short. But the trains/ferries then cause bunching of people. If the border checks were done on arrival, there would be a huge queue as each train or ferry arrived, then the staff would be sat around doing nothing awaiting the next train or ferry.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Mick

Really?

People are travelling through or to France, France should be seen to promote itself by employing enough people to process people entering their country. They’re the ones getting tourists money. So they should provide the service.

Bloody typical though that Remainiacs use these delays to attack a Democratic right to self determination. We do not need to be in the corrupted EU, to travel through to another country FFS.

Nobody said that we did need to be in the EU, but what you do need to do is play by the rules that the country apply to non eu members which as I said consist of the ninety day validity period and also stamping.

France can do as they please we have no right to dictate they don’t need to be seen to do anything at all.

I have no problem with self determination whatsoever, I do however have a problem with those who refuse to accept there are ramifications based on decisions taken.

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There’s also potential requirements to provide proof of funds, proof of stay

This is applied at U.K. to Europe and people visiting the U.K.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Nobody said that we did need to be in the EU, but what you do need to do is play by the rules that the country apply to non eu members which as I said consist of the ninety day validity period and also stamping.

France can do as they please we have no right to dictate they don’t need to be seen to do anything at all.

I have no problem with self determination whatsoever, I do however have a problem with those who refuse to accept there are ramifications based on decisions taken.

<SNIP>

Then you won't have a problem with me on that score.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Then you won't have a problem with me on that score.

Never have had so far m’dear

The problem isn't Brexit by itself because we always had passport checks and the agreement on the border is independent of the EU. It's the pointless showboating between the Governments on Brexit. There must be an easy way to come to an agreement on the border but both Governments are more than happy to pick a fight on it to appease their domestic audiences. The French to show Brexit doesn't work and the British to show they're sticking it to the EU/French.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Damien

The problem isn't Brexit by itself because we always had passport checks and the agreement on the border is independent of the EU. It's the pointless showboating between the Governments on Brexit. There must be an easy way to come to an agreement on the border but both Governments are more than happy to pick a fight on it to appease their domestic audiences. The French to show Brexit doesn't work and the British to show they're sticking it to the EU/French.

Not sure what planet you are on but back on planet Earth, post-Brexit, the EU mandates passport checks that were not required before. It is not rocket science. The Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister gets it and he should know.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Nobody said that we did need to be in the EU, but what you do need to do is play by the rules that the country apply to non eu members which as I said consist of the ninety day validity period and also stamping.

France can do as they please we have no right to dictate they don’t need to be seen to do anything at all.

I have no problem with self determination whatsoever, I do however have a problem with those who refuse to accept there are ramifications based on decisions taken.

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There’s also potential requirements to provide proof of funds, proof of stay

This is applied at U.K. to Europe and people visiting the U.K.

There are no ramifications to accept on a decision I’d take again and again.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Mick

There are no ramifications to accept on a decision I’d take again and again.

Of course there are ramifications to the decision, it’s just if they negatively impact you or you care about those ramifications.

The very thing we’re seeing at Dover/Folkestone is a ramification
The fact tourists may be asked to provide proof of funds, accommodation, return ticket. Is a ramification

[OLD BOY]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...line-services/

[EXTRACT]

Liz Truss has pledged to embark on a “bonfire of the quangos”, saying that she would divert hundreds of millions of pounds from “bureaucratic bodies” to frontline services if she becomes Prime Minister.

The Foreign Secretary said that too many quangos “aren't delivering for the public” as she told The Telegraph that she would review all government bodies and “expunge those that aren’t fit for purpose”.

Ms Truss will cite the policy as evidence that she is the candidate for the Tory leadership who would challenge “Whitehall orthodoxy” and do away with a “business-as-usual approach”.

She said: “Too many bureaucratic bodies aren’t delivering for the public, costing hundreds of millions that should be going towards frontline services.”

It comes as, during a campaign visit on Saturday, Ms Truss was asked about her rival Rishi Sunak’s visit to Margaret Thatcher’s birthplace of Grantham and if she is a Thatcherite. She replied: “I think we need to move on. You know, we’re in the 2020s. We’re facing a global economic crisis.

“And what we need now is bold action.”

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Of course there are ramifications to the decision, it’s just if they negatively impact you or you care about those ramifications.

The very thing we’re seeing at Dover/Folkestone is a ramification
The fact tourists may be asked to provide proof of funds, accommodation, return ticket. Is a ramification

The issues at Dover are nothing to do with Brexit. This is a pathetic attempt by France to be political. Nothing more.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...line-services/

[EXTRACT]

Liz Truss has pledged to embark on a “bonfire of the quangos”, saying that she would divert hundreds of millions of pounds from “bureaucratic bodies” to frontline services if she becomes Prime Minister.

The Foreign Secretary said that too many quangos “aren't delivering for the public” as she told The Telegraph that she would review all government bodies and “expunge those that aren’t fit for purpose”.

Ms Truss will cite the policy as evidence that she is the candidate for the Tory leadership who would challenge “Whitehall orthodoxy” and do away with a “business-as-usual approach”.

She said: “Too many bureaucratic bodies aren’t delivering for the public, costing hundreds of millions that should be going towards frontline services.”

It comes as, during a campaign visit on Saturday, Ms Truss was asked about her rival Rishi Sunak’s visit to Margaret Thatcher’s birthplace of Grantham and if she is a Thatcherite. She replied: “I think we need to move on. You know, we’re in the 2020s. We’re facing a global economic crisis.

“And what we need now is bold action.”

I expect one of two things to happen after reading that. 1. Nothing will happen at all. 2. It'll cost the taxpayer more.

Originally Posted by Mick

The issues at Dover are nothing to do with Brexit. This is a pathetic attempt by France to be political. Nothing more.

We didn’t need to have our passports stamped, or a check to see if we were spending more than 90 days out of 180 before Brexit.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

I expect one of two things to happen after reading that. 1. Nothing will happen at all. 2. It'll cost the taxpayer more.

How will abolishing pointless quangos cost more? I suspect you have no idea of the extent of this problem, Grim.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

How will abolishing pointless quangos cost more? I suspect you have no idea of the extent of this problem, Grim.

Because someone will end up doing the work and it'll probably be in the private sector (milking a good profit for an old school friend or ex colleague).

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

How will abolishing pointless quangos cost more? I suspect you have no idea of the extent of this problem, Grim.

I certainly have no idea of the extent, or indeed whether it is a problem at all. Perhaps you could list a few of the ones she plans to abolish?