Britain outside the EU

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

But the whole process is slower anyway as well. I wish they could come to some arrangement independent of the EU to make it easier for UK/EU citizens to travel.

That's what we should be doing. But winding up our neighbours by taking unilateral action against the NI Protocol when Article 16 exists if things aren't working out will prevent such discussions.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

At what point did we vote for bureaucracy? This is what we were escaping from!

The EU, even now, is trying to shackle us to conform with their stifling rules, even though we have left.

23/6/16. Damien has explained how these new rules are delaying his entry to the UK from Calais, to give but one example.

Is your second sentence based upon something that has happened? It's hard to tell without a supporting link.

I know, I know - apparently the beggars want us to follow their rules when we want to visit their countries or trade with them.

Apparently, sovereignty only counts if you’re British…

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The bleedin' obvious.

Francophobia, no matter what you may believe, isn’t evidence…

Originally Posted by Damien

So an EU citizen with a right to remain holds up the line and each tourist is checked to make sure they're going to return after.

Those machines check the right to remain status.

There were no EU citizens, just returning UK citizens.
Those machines are terminally slow, one malfunctioned as well, making even more delays. Automation is not always the answer.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Paul

There were no EU citizens, just returning UK citizens.
Those machines are terminally slow, one malfunctioned as well, making even more delays. Automation is not always the answer.

And the Tories want to cut 91,000 civil servants. Well, did before BoJo got the chop.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by jfman

And the Tories want to cut 91,000 civil servants. Well, did before BoJo got the chop.

Yes and the only one most of us wanted cut was bozo himself q

[jfman]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Yes and the only one most of us wanted cut was bozo himself q

Haha well, there's a distinction between the buffoon at the head of Government and the civil service.

Interestingly, he'd probably fail the developed vetting required for a senior civil service role due to his links with Lebedev and the KGB. Prior to his ascension to the top job, I seem to recall things being kept off his desk deliberately in the FCO.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

We have left the EU but we have yet to exploit the benefits.

There's a good reason why we've not been able to find any to exploit after two and a half years of trying including appeals in a national newspaper. Clue: It's not because of Covid.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Damien

Yeah. These delays are because the French border was undermanned for the demand that was there this weekend. It's never normally that bad but a long shot.

But the whole process is slower anyway as well. I wish they could come to some arrangement independent of the EU to make it easier for UK/EU citizens to travel.

You are wrong. The French had manned the booths they were allotted at 09:45. The delays continued yesterday and will continue still when the volumes surge. The French requested more booths for the forecast holiday volumes but were denied.

Here's the truth, not the gaslighting:

Dover port boss blames Brexit for delays as he explains passport 'checks and stamps'

Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover because passports require extra checks.

Friday - when the port declared a "critical incident" - saw holidaymakers get stuck in six-hour queues as officials in Britain and France traded accusations in a blame game, and today motorists have already hit waits of more than two hours.

Travellers have been warned again to brace for queues and told to allow at least five hours to get their ferry to the continent, with 10,000 cars expected to travel through today – up on the 8,500 yesterday.

Mr Bannister told Ben Kentish: "We are in a post-Brexit environment, which means the transaction times through the borders are going to take longer because the passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped etc.

"So what we did in response to that is come up with a rather detailed plan for our traffic volumes throughout the entire summer. But we've also installed new, interim border authority kiosks to be able to operate from and handle the business on the busiest days."

Read more: Holidaymakers' fury at Dover's 'critical incident' as six-hour queues blamed on French

When asked if Brexit was the wider issue behind the delays, Mr Bannister said: "That is absolutely true, and indeed that was a primary planning assumption that we all worked towards for coming up with the summer plan.

"We knew what the checks were going to be like, we've been operating this way since we left the European Union."

[Mad Max]

You are wrong. The French had manned the booths they were allotted at 09:45.

Not quite.

However, French officials hit back, insisting that they planned to staff passport controls from 8.30am on Friday. A “technical incident” on the Channel Tunnel meant they were delayed until 9.45am.

[Sephiroth]

Whilst Remainers are busy blaming Brexit, there's more to it than that.

The political bit first: Yes, of course, Brexit means passport checks on both sides.

But then there's the logistics: Pre-Brexit, it made sense to place the French border in the UK and vice-versa. Post-Brexit, shouldn't that be reversed? In other words, no delay getting Dover and onto your booked ferry (or Eurostar) and the check are conducted at the French end. Then it's up to them to provide commensurate infrastructure and if they don't, potential travellers can find other destinations and blame the French.

I realise that it might get interesting returning to the UK, but I suspect that will go OK because an exit Stempel is no big deal and we can fast track UK residents at Dover or Eurostar.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Whilst Remainers are busy blaming Brexit, there's more to it than that.

The political bit first: Yes, of course, Brexit means passport checks on both sides.

But then there's the logistics: Pre-Brexit, it made sense to place the French border in the UK and vice-versa. Post-Brexit, shouldn't that be reversed? In other words, no delay getting Dover and onto your booked ferry (or Eurostar) and the check are conducted at the French end. Then it's up to them to provide commensurate infrastructure and if they don't, potential travellers can find other destinations and blame the French.

I realise that it might get interesting returning to the UK, but I suspect that will go OK because an exit Stempel is no big deal and we can fast track UK residents at Dover or Eurostar.

Good point.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Whilst Remainers are busy blaming Brexit, there's more to it than that.

The political bit first: Yes, of course, Brexit means passport checks on both sides.

But then there's the logistics: Pre-Brexit, it made sense to place the French border in the UK and vice-versa. Post-Brexit, shouldn't that be reversed? In other words, no delay getting Dover and onto your booked ferry (or Eurostar) and the check are conducted at the French end. Then it's up to them to provide commensurate infrastructure and if they don't, potential travellers can find other destinations and blame the French.

I realise that it might get interesting returning to the UK, but I suspect that will go OK because an exit Stempel is no big deal and we can fast track UK residents at Dover or Eurostar.

Sound in theory, but if the government aren’t prepared to stump up the cash for a few new booths then I doubt they’ll stump up the money required for the work required for your suggestion

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Would also possibly cause a decrease in the amount of Eurostar & ferries able to run per day

Originally Posted by Paul

There were no EU citizens, just returning UK citizens.
Those machines are terminally slow, one malfunctioned as well, making even more delays. Automation is not always the answer.

I was referring more just to delays in Calais for either the ferries or the Eurotunnel. You have those checks and then additional ones for anyone that isn't a UK Citizen.

Those machines are how they check who you are though so I don't see them ever going.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

But then there's the logistics: Pre-Brexit, it made sense to place the French border in the UK and vice-versa. Post-Brexit, shouldn't that be reversed?

The U.K Government doesn't want this because they want to check whose coming into the country before they cross the channel. It would be easier for immigrants to get across and then once in the U.K it's more complicated for the Government to process them.

I am not sure why Brexit makes much of a difference into why you would want this agreement or not anyway. It's just easier for both sides to process passport checks at the same time.

[mrmistoffelees]

Validity period now needs to be checked
Passport now needs to be stamped

All adds processing time.

I do find it humorous that some find it acceptable that we can attempt to dictate to France how many people they should have on THEIR border control…the one that’s payed for by the French taxpayer …

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Validity period now needs to be checked
Passport now needs to be stamped

All adds processing time.

I do find it humorous that some find it acceptable that we can attempt to dictate to France how many people they should have on THEIR border control…the one that’s payed for by the French taxpayer …

Really?

People are travelling through or to France, France should be seen to promote itself by employing enough people to process people entering their country. They’re the ones getting tourists money. So they should provide the service.

Bloody typical though that Remainiacs use these delays to attack a Democratic right to self determination. We do not need to be in the corrupted EU, to travel through to another country FFS.