Updated: Boris resigns as party leader

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Brexit achieved whilst Parliament was trying it’s hardest to defy a democratic decision. In the process totally destroying Labour and the notion that the great uneducated/ unwashed didn’t know what they voted for. After three years of debate, they reminded everyone what they voted for.

Yes, however at a minimum standard.

I mean we all know you were a lockdown and furlough fetishist and wanted to see that continue forever. He took us out earlier than any pretty much any other Western country. My view hasn’t changed - he shouldn’t have lockdowned in the first place - but he did get us out early.

Lockdowned isn’t a word, but that’s an aside.

Well, it’s debatable depending what report or what graph you see. As I see it, we’re in the same race as everyone else and not out of it. No one is having a good time now. No one is really “recovering” so we have to ride it.

It’s not really a debate, Pierre it’s a statement of facts. Comparisons can be made and our economic recovery is among the worst. Inflation among the highest.

“We have to ride it” as quite an obscure economic analysis even by your own limited standards. The Government aren’t a passive actor in the economy - they guide policy that should be leading it not the other way around.

yeah but he was first in. Everybody saw that and now the train into Kyiv is the biggest celeb ticket in town.

By your standard the whole of the EU are below average, in which……you have a point.

As I say, an extremely limited positive that anyone could have achieved with so much to avoid at home.

Two out of your three insights here are telling as they are purely ideological - he did what you wanted. This explains fully your sycophantic endorsement of his hapless Government regardless of consequence in the real world.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Qtx

"Choice is an illusion created between those with power and those without" – Merovingian (The Matrix Reloaded)

It’s good……it’s not Aristotle.

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Originally Posted by jfman

Lockdowned isn’t a word, but that’s an aside.

Lockdown is a word and is also a phrase verb. Therefore, Lockdowned can then be used a verb, in the past tense……but that’s an aside

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionari...lish/lock-down

It’s not really a debate, Pierre it’s a statement of facts. Comparisons can be made and our economic recovery is among the worst. Inflation among the highest.

everything is a debate. Our economic recovery is not the worst and our inflation not the highest. Beyond that you have to look at all the specific issues for each countries specific economy. Generalisations are good for headlines only.

As I say, an extremely limited positive that anyone could have achieved with so much to avoid at home.

easy to say, but “anyone” didn’t. He did. Then the bandwagon followed.

Macron, Van der Leyen, …Stiller FFS, Branson + a cast of thousands.

He gave Putin the political finger, whilst the EU gave him billions.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Pierre

His biggest mistake was delivering Brexit, there was no way he could keep his position after that. The establishment were not happy and the establishment had him removed.

All we have to look forward to now is years of trying to become some kind of quasi-member of the EU.

Let’s just see how the negotiations on the N.I. Protocol, metamorphise into a bigger discussion on the single market…………

I agree with many of your posts, Pierre, but how can you say that?

The public voted for Brexit. Brexit HAD to be delivered! We live in a democracy.

Public trust would disappear if the goverrnment ignored the result of referendums.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

He got BIG decisions wrong as well though... it may well have been a morale-boosting drink as you say, but at the time, it was against the law, and ,he was fined accordingly. His decision making process with regards to Chris Pincher was atrocious. AGAIN it was the attempts af subverting the truth that is the bigger issue that seems to have caused his downfall

Brexit - in my belief, still has major issues that need to be resolved, personally, i don't consider it a great success yet (I honestly don't think it will be a success at all, however, I hope it is.)
COVID - i don't see how he handled it any better than most other countries
Ukraine - He has made the calls on that absolutely right.

You have a point, except that they were not big decisions. They had no impact on the country at all.

You are being distracted by irrelevant detail.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

Then the police want investigating.

It's the Met that need investigating, papa. Neither should have received a fine.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I agree with many of your posts, Pierre, but how can you say that?

You don’t appear to have understood what I wrote. Read it again

[Dave42]

Steve Baker rules himself out from standing for leader

https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/sta...08480718626817

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

everything is a debate.

Only to the extent that people with extremely limited knowledge can persist in commenting on anything regardless, well yes. Everything can be a debate.

Whether it adds anything worthwhile to the discourse, well, who am I to judge.

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Originally Posted by Dave42

Steve Baker rules himself out from standing for leader

https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/sta...08480718626817

A real shame.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Neither should have received a fine.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=2696

All politicians lie, Maggy, including Starmer, who provided false information about his beer party.

Yet you seemed so certain it was a party. What no evidence has come to light that Starmer had reasonable excuse to be a gathering and what bearing does that have on BJ’s birthday party?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Dave42

Steve Baker rules himself out from standing for leader

https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/sta...08480718626817

Too many people waiting to get the knife into his back in revenge, and not just for Johnson.

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by jfman

www.ready4rishi.com

The readyforrishi.com domain was registered in December, a few days after one of the parties from which which the photos leaked. The ready4rishi.com domain was more recently registered at the same domain registrar. The older domain redirects to the newer domain. A PR person would probably advise someone with the old longer domain to change to the easier to digest and more pleasing to the eye newer domain.

Its doesn't prove beyond a doubt the old domain is his but if it is, you have to wonder about the timing of its creation.

If I remember correctly, the photos that got leaked were taken from his office it was worked out because of the angle and the floorplan of the building. Don't quote me on that its not something I have checked. But if true , along with the domain names, it would suggest he has had this planned for a while.

[peanut]

It does makes you wonder. With the timing of the domain name. He should have used RishiTheSnakeSunak.com which is more apt.

"Rishi Sunak blamed for embarrassing Boris Johnson leak as Chancellor eyes leadership bid"

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...k-latest-covid

[TheDaddy]

That cringy video wasn't just put together overnight either, the man seems like a bit of a snake

[jfman]

In fairness to Rishi - he could have simply registered the domain name for when he used his Green Card to run for office in America? It’d explain the US spellings in the video. He speaks of patriotism but I didn’t catch to which country.

Ben Wallace not running to concentrate on the day job, which I assume now includes working with Simon Case to keep valuable state secrets off the desk of our discredited caretaker Prime Minister in case they fall into the wrong hands when he fancies a two day bender with a KGB agent.

[Dave42]

Ben Wallace rules himself out


Rt. Hon Ben Wallace MP
@BWallaceMP

United Kingdom government official
After careful consideration and discussing with colleagues and family, I have taken the decision not to enter the contest for leadership of the Conservative Party. I am very grateful to all my parliamentary colleagues and wider members who have pledged support. 1/2

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Qtx

The readyforrishi.com domain was registered in December, a few days after one of the parties from which which the photos leaked.

Taken from Sunak's office, no less.

[jfman]

Grant Shapps

Originally Posted by jfman

Grant Shapps

AKA Michael Green, Corinne Stockheath and Sebastian Fox…

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Ex-health secretaries Sajid Javid and Jeremy Hunt join Tory leadership race

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62110114

Wouldn’t it be easier to have list of Tory MPs who aren’t standing?