05-12-2016, 13:05
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I think Corbyn is looking to guarantee that these rights are not taken away from people when we leave the EU. In the short term, I'm sure that will happen.
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But that is a totally separate issue, and is a matter for Parliament. Let's assume his ideas get implemented, then Parliament could just as easy reverse them after Article 50 is approved. If they couldn't reverse it then that would be anti-democratic, which is why Corbyn and Labour are in favour of imposing by the back door.
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05-12-2016, 13:08
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
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On what basis do you draw that conclusion?
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From what Theresa May has said, though I get that it's foolish to believe any politician.
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05-12-2016, 13:13
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
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But that is a totally separate issue, and is a matter for Parliament. Let's assume his ideas get implemented, then Parliament could just as easy reverse them after Article 50 is approved. If they couldn't reverse it then that would be anti-democratic, which is why Corbyn and Labour are in favour of imposing by the back door.
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Yes a separate issue but, EU legislation will, as a matter of course, have to remain in effect until such time as Parliament produces new legislation to replace it otherwise there will be none in effect.
Some may be passed into British law some may not. That is for Parliament to decide.
It's all part of the huge leaving process.
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05-12-2016, 13:17
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Yes a separate issue but, EU legislation will, as a matter of course, have to remain in effect until such time as Parliament produces new legislation to replace it otherwise there will be none in effect.
Some may be passed into British law some may not. That is for Parliament to decide.
It's all part of the huge leaving process.
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EU directives have to be passed separately in each nation state.
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The Working Time Regulations (1998) implement the European Working Time Directive into GB law.
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05-12-2016, 13:20
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EU directives have to be passed separately in each nation state.
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Yes and must stay in effect until Parliament decides to change them or leave them in force.
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05-12-2016, 13:27
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Yes and must stay in effect until Parliament decides to change them or leave them in force.
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Leaving the EU doesn't magically make them disappear. They would still be in place. It would be more appropriate to automatically remove the Working Time Regulations, as they were forced upon us via the backdoor. We had an exemption from the Social Chapter in the Maastricht Treaty but the EU found a way, under the guise of Health and Safety.
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05-12-2016, 14:10
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when is the re run - the no side obviously didn't understand what they voted for
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some on the leave side have some difficulty understanding as well judging by some of the posts here .
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"Protection of social rights" is SOLELY a matter for the UK government, whoever is in power, and should be nothing to do with the EU.
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Nobody is saying it is anything to do with the EU but the rules that have been introduced since we joined the EU and have benefited everyone need to stay in place ,i think Corbyn is simply making sure that stuff like the WTD stays in place which quite frankly is his job
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05-12-2016, 14:18
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Nobody is saying it is anything to do with the EU but the rules that have been introduced since we joined the EU and have benefited everyone need to stay in place ,i think Corbyn is simply making sure that stuff like the WTD stays in place which quite frankly is his job
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Still nothing whatsoever to do with Article 50 or anything to do with the EU. For it to be overturned there would have to be a Parliamentary vote. That would be the time, if it happened, for Corbyn to say anything.
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05-12-2016, 14:22
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Still nothing whatsoever to do with Article 50 or anything to do with the EU. For it to be overturned there would have to be a Parliamentary vote. That would be the time, if it happened, for Corbyn to say anything.
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I think the point that Sky News is making is that Corbyn's actions will delay Article 50.
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05-12-2016, 15:04
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Still nothing whatsoever to do with Article 50 or anything to do with the EU. For it to be overturned there would have to be a Parliamentary vote. That would be the time, if it happened, for Corbyn to say anything.
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Well it does presuming the government lose their appeal .Assuming the government lose they will have to make some guarantees as to what legislation will be abandoned or kept ,Corbyn is simply making sure that workers rights through the WTD and suchlike are protected
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06-12-2016, 18:00
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Good to see common sense prevailing from the Government:
Brexit: Theresa May U-turns and says Government will reveal plans before Article 50 is triggered
"Theresa May has agreed to a Labour demand to lift the lid on her Brexit strategy to avoid an embarrassing Commons defeat.
With just moments to go before a Parliamentary deadline, the Prime Minister accepted a motion - due to go to a vote on Wednesday - that she must set out “the Government’s plan for leaving the EU before Article 50 is invoked”.
However, her carefully-crafted amendment also sought to box Labour in by adding key words that mean the party will also be backing her Article 50 timetable if it votes for the motion.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7459236.html
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06-12-2016, 18:06
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Good good. It isn't that outlandish a demand. Let people know what we're trying to do.
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06-12-2016, 18:10
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Does that mean we can carry on with it now?
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06-12-2016, 18:14
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
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Does that mean we can carry on with it now?
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If the govt loses the court case then there is even less likelihood of any trouble in Parliament now. Most of the debate would be if Parliament would be informed of what is happening.
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06-12-2016, 18:26
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If the govt loses the court case then there is even less likelihood of any trouble in Parliament now. Most of the debate would be if Parliament would be informed of what is happening.
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What's the point of the court case now ? May should just kick it over to parliament where it belongs
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