Football : Season 2011/12

Liverpool need to stop this conspiracy nonsense. It's tiresome. They exist under a siege mentality and it's clouding their judgement over this case. People actually like Liverpool, we're not all against them, and whenever they have petitions over the injustices that have occurred outside of football they have massive support - even from United fans.

The reason no one is with them this time is simply because they are tragically wrong.

[adzii_nufc]

Originally Posted by Damien

Liverpool need to stop this conspiracy nonsense. It's tiresome. They exist under a siege mentality and it's clouding their judgement over this case. People actually like Liverpool, we're not all against them, and whenever they have petitions over the injustices that have occurred outside of football they have massive support - even from United fans.

The reason no one is with them this time is simply because they are tragically wrong.

Correct at all angles, Its not nice to see genuine Liverpool supporters tarred with the same brush as the rest of those loonies.

[MalteseFalcon]

It is sad that Suarez now seems to have lost some of the Liverpool supporters, and yesterday was a powder keg just waiting to explode. Suarez at fault in the handshake when he refused to shake Evra's hand when every other Liverpool player seemed to shake it. But Evra totally at fault at final whistle the way he celebrated the win. Credit to Suarez and Liverpool for not reacting too harshly there.

However, I cannot help feeling that this would not have happened had Ferguson and Dalglish sat down and spoke to Evra and Suarez and tried to get this sorted out before the game. If it had failed, then either Evra or Suarez should not have been picked, and we wouldn't be having this debate now.

As for next weekend, I have got myself stocked up ready to watch Stevenage try and thrash Spurs. The way Harry has them playing atm though doesn't fill me with much confidence though. Still, be a nice money earner for the club. The chairman has already stated in my local press that the TV money and gate receipts will go towards the redevelopment of the stadium, so that is an extra £300k or so towards it.

ETA:

Apparently Suarez has come out and apologised to Evra, Man U and Liverpool for yesterday. Too little too late in my book.

Yes it would seem that the Liverpool board have acted

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17004667

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/lates...luis-was-wrong

[Russ]

Originally Posted by TheDon

What makes you think he isn't? What has he actually done in this situation that makes him look like he isn't racist?

I'm a big fan of 'innocent until proven guilty'. Apparently he called Evra 'negro' which is supposedly an everyday and acceptable expression to use in his own country. I don't accept that as an excuse though - if you move to another country to live or work then you accept their laws override what you are used to. He may well be racist but in the absence of evidence we should assume he isn't.

It's worth noting it is not against any FA rule to be a racist, only to use racist words or behavior.

[NIco V]

Originally Posted by Russ

Apparently he called Evra 'negro' which is supposedly .

He called him "negrito"...

[Russ]

My point still stands.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mick

Don't take it out of context with that crap. Not liking someone and being racist to someone is something completely different.

Funny I thought he tried to shake Rio's hand...

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK

I don't suppose Evra wanted to the shake the hand of a racist that has abused him either. But he wasn't stupid and knew the media would be looking, he knew if he just shook hands that would be that, end of story, and both players could move on. For some reason Suarez didn't want that and the story is going to go on and on.

Suppose that's why Evra did what he did at the end of the match to, because he knew the media were watching, wanted to move on and is that smart.

Is he a man or a child...

[Julian]

Liverpool and Suarez have apologised. Just need evra to now and the saga will be over.

[TheDon]

Originally Posted by Russ

I'm a big fan of 'innocent until proven guilty'. Apparently he called Evra 'negro' which is supposedly an everyday and acceptable expression to use in his own country. I don't accept that as an excuse though - if you move to another country to live or work then you accept their laws override what you are used to. He may well be racist but in the absence of evidence we should assume he isn't.

It's worth noting it is not against any FA rule to be a racist, only to use racist words or behavior.

Except the language experts completely tore apart Suarez's defence that it was an everyday acceptable expression. Which is why he took an 8 game ban.

You must have a weird definition of absence of evidence. Suarez's conduct after the event, his conflicting statement to the FA, the experts views on his defence, and even his apology now where he doesn't apologise to Evra, just for making Liverpool look bad, is plenty of evidence.

But then some people would still defend him if he was caught walking around Liverpool wearing a klans mans uniform.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by TheDon

Except the language experts completely tore apart Suarez's defence that it was an everyday acceptable expression. Which is why he took an 8 game ban.

You must have a weird definition of absence of evidence. Suarez's conduct after the event, his conflicting statement to the FA, the experts views on his defence, and even his apology now where he doesn't apologise to Evra, just for making Liverpool look bad, is plenty of evidence.

But then some people would still defend him if he was caught walking around Liverpool wearing a klans mans uniform.

Nobody is denying he used racist comments. But that does not automatically make him a racist. The FA will not (and indeed cannot) take action against someone purely because they are racist.

His subsequent petulant attitude is more to do with him being of the belief that the punishment did not fit the crime.

[iadom]

Originally Posted by Julian

Liverpool and Suarez have apologised. Just need evra to now and the saga will be over.

I stand to be corrected but as far as I am aware, Suarez has never apologised directly to Evra or anyone else for calling him a negro, negrito or what ever, until that happens he is still a low life in my eyes.

[TheDon]

Originally Posted by Russ

Nobody is denying he used racist comments. But that does not automatically make him a racist. The FA will not (and indeed cannot) take action against someone purely because they are racist.

His subsequent petulant attitude is more to do with him being of the belief that the punishment did not fit the crime.

Surely if he wasn't racist he'd have actually apologised to Evra for accidentally offending him then?

He hasn't. Instead he's played the victim which the Scousers have ate up with the inherent victim mentality. So much so that many of them are now saying it's a disgrace the club have released the statements they have and they should have stood by Suarez instead of forcing him to apologise.

The "just because he said something racist doesn't make him racist" defence holds about as much sway as prefixing something with "I'm not racist but..."

[Russ]

Originally Posted by TheDon

Surely if he wasn't racist he'd have actually apologised to Evra for accidentally offending him then?

That is where he is being petulant.

Originally Posted by TheDon

The "just because he said something racist doesn't make him racist" defence holds about as much sway as prefixing something with "I'm not racist but..."

It's a valid defence if that is what he uses. Discussing whether I'm racist because of what I say to my OH would be taking this off-topic but you get the idea.