US Timeline Torchwood : Series 4 - Miracle Day (Starz) - Page 2

Pierre · 31-05-2011, 00:00

If you can't understand the statement or the connection between the two shows it's alright I don't/won't think that you're a bit slow.

Even if you are.

carlwaring · 31-05-2011, 10:11

I completely understand your statement, which is why I find it ridiculous.

I note with interest that you have simply insulted my intelligence rather than actually respond to my statement.

Which says it all really.

If you would now like to explain why you hold the opinion you stated then the discussion can continue. I won't hold my breath

**Chris** · 31-05-2011, 10:30

Given that you're trying to draw him out on statements he made almost five months ago, I hardly think you can expect him to continue the discussion now, unless he wants to/can be bothered. So no, don't hold your breath - and don't assume, if he doesn't reply, that it has anything at all to do with your perception of the strength of his argument.

I'd also be a tad careful about making grandiose claims like 'I completely understand your statement'. It merely puts you at risk of looking ridiculous.

I've read Pierre's statement several times and I believe it could mean several different things, conditional on what he thinks Doctor Who is and what he thinks it should be (points he hasn't elaborated on in this thread so far as I can see).

Audience and demographics are but two considerations and for you to grab on to those at the exclusion of any other possibility is not complete understanding, it's just a great big blinkered presumption.

carlwaring · 31-05-2011, 10:53

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Originally Posted by Chris

Given that you're trying to draw him out on statements he made almost five months ago, I hardly think you can expect him to continue the discussion now, unless he wants to/can be bothered.

Whoops! Sorry. Didn't notice that.

However, he could, if he was so inclined, still actually answer my post seeing as how it is still a valid point.

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I'd also be a tad careful about making grandiose claims like 'I completely understand your statement'. It merely puts you at risk of looking ridiculous.

Like that's new to me

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I've read Pierre's statement several times and I believe it could mean several different things, conditional on what he thinks Doctor Who is and what he thinks it should be (points he hasn't elaborated on in this thread so far as I can see).

Then perhaps he should have been clearer on what he meant. To avoid such mis-interpritation

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Audience and demographics are but two considerations and for you to grab on to those at the exclusion of any other possibility is not complete understanding, it's just a great big blinkered presumption.

Hence starting a discussion on the subject. "Other possibilities" such as?

**Chris** · 31-05-2011, 11:29

Oh, how about production values for starters, which is a nebulous concept in itself? He may believe there to be favourable differences in Torchwood's musical score, sound editing, video editing, scriptwriting ... you name it.

carlwaring · 31-05-2011, 11:53

Well we do know that DW's budget has been cut and, according to some posts over on the DS Forums, this is noticable. Can't say I have noticed it myself though.

However, no. I don't believe that Pierre was talking about anything other than the actual content of the show. I base this only on other, similar, comments I have seen from time to time on various forums; that TW is what DW should be and no-one has ever mentioned any of those elements.

They are only referring to the fact that they prefer TW of DW because they perceive the latter as not being "scary" enough or being too purely aimed at children which, of course, has never ever actually been the case.

As for DW not being scary enough. It seems some people completely disagree.

Pierre · 31-05-2011, 19:14

You know, I wasn't going to bother, and I'm not furthering the discussion beyond this post.

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Originally Posted by carlwaring

I completely understand your statement

Well if you completely understood what I was saying, you wouldn't have had to question it, as it would have made sense to you.

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However, no. I don't believe that Pierre was talking about anything other than the actual content of the show

What you believe and what you know are very different things. You obviously don't know what I meant and you believe wrong.

Torchwood Children of Earth was:

Suspenseful
Scary
Well produced with high production values
Well acted
Had good characters
Was well paced
Was a very good story
Was well scripted
Didn't have any "eureka" solutions

I could go on.

All of the above in my opinion the current Dr Who isn't, or for that matter the previous Torchwoods weren't either.

It was, again IMO, what could have been a classic Dr Who story - not for this Doctor. Possibly John Pertwee.
Well directed

carlwaring · 31-05-2011, 19:53

Then we'll agree to disagree

Stephen · 01-06-2011, 09:45

Doctor Who was created as a childrens/family show and has always been that way.

RTD created Torchwood to be a more adult orientated show.

carlwaring · 01-06-2011, 09:46

Which is almost what I posted on the previous page

DW = Family, TW = Adult.

Pierre · 01-06-2011, 10:08

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Originally Posted by Stephen

Doctor Who was created as a childrens/family show and has always been that way.

RTD created Torchwood to be a more adult orientated show.

I Don't know if you were posting in reply to me, but if you were - how should that impact the items I listed differently, for each show?

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Originally Posted by carlwaring

Then we'll agree to disagree

You may agree to yourself whatever you wish or "believe".

I didn't say anything.

Stephen · 01-06-2011, 10:16

I was replying to the thread, no one in particular.

adzii_nufc · 09-06-2011, 17:30

Children of the earth was simple awesome.

Am I the only one that expected The Doctor to save the day. I really think they could have Merged the ending with Doctor Who as it was a massive event and surely The Doctor would not just say bugger it I cant be arsed.

I'd really like some Torchwood - Doctor Who Tie ins but with the Doctor appearing on Torchwood rather than the usual stuff. Don't see Matt Smith's Doctor doing it very well as awesome as he is.

Lew · 21-06-2011, 13:20

'Torchwood won't abandon Welsh roots, says Russell T Davies

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-13843891

The creator of Torchwood has promised that the sci-fi show will stick to its Welsh roots despite its move to America.

Russell T Davies was speaking at the launch of Torchwood: Miracle Day at the BFI in London on Monday.

"I would never do a Torchwood that didn't have any links to Wales," the writer told the BBC News website.

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The series will air in the US in early July and be shown later in the summer on BBC One.

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Davies, who is now based in Los Angeles, pointed out that his story never left Wales for very long.

"It starts in Wales, they go on the run across the United States, but they come back to Wales. I don't want people to think we've abandoned the homeland."

The first episode, screened to the press and public at Monday's launch, included a joke about the Severn Bridge toll, as well as a helicopter action sequence on Rhossili beach on the Gower coast.

Tezcatlipoca · 21-06-2011, 19:58

Is there still no confirmed date for this? All I've heard so far is "after the US"...