01-12-2021, 16:28
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Macron shares some significant blame for that. I wonder if there is any finger pointing going on in the western EU.
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The BBC News website has this story:
Seems the class of customer is what is driving this wilful disregard for the law. In Waitrose today, everyone was wearing a mask.
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Just out of interest were there staff on the door in Waitrose?
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01-12-2021, 16:34
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Seems the class of customer is what is driving this wilful disregard for the law. In Waitrose today, everyone was wearing a mask.
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The thing is, since it's actually illegal to challenge someone why they aren't wearing one (because of the rules around mask exceptions) then one actually doesn't know, if someone isn't wearing a mask, whether they are actually exempt because of a medical reason or another reason (doesn't always have to be an illness), or if they are just identifying exempt to avoid wearing one, or if they're simply being a ********.
I wouldn't consider it any of my business to know either.
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01-12-2021, 16:36
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Julian
Just out of interest were there staff on the door in Waitrose?
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At Waitrose Wokingham, there was no door control.
A few months ago, though, when I'd mislaid my mask between house and Wokingham, the door guard had a stash in the trolley in front of him.
The good burgers of Wokingham are not just in the meat counter, perhaps.
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01-12-2021, 16:55
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Macron shares some significant blame for that. I wonder if there is any finger pointing going on in the western EU.
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The BBC News website has this story:
Seems the class of customer is what is driving this wilful disregard for the law. In Waitrose today, everyone was wearing a mask.
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Seems to me that particular class bore the brunt of lockdowns, mask mandates etc and didn't have jobs allowing them to WFH. A sizeable amount helped keep critical retail businesses and supply chains running for those Waitrose customers.
Perhaps they have had enough.
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01-12-2021, 16:59
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by nffc
The thing is, since it's actually illegal to challenge someone why they aren't wearing one (because of the rules around mask exceptions) then one actually doesn't know, if someone isn't wearing a mask, whether they are actually exempt because of a medical reason or another reason (doesn't always have to be an illness), or if they are just identifying exempt to avoid wearing one, or if they're simply being a ********.
I wouldn't consider it any of my business to know either.
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That’s why it’s just laughable, stating a £200 fine for not wearing a mask, which is totally unenforceable.
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01-12-2021, 17:05
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by pip08456
Seems to me that particular class bore the brunt of lockdowns, mask mandates etc and didn't have jobs allowing them to WFH. A sizeable amount helped keep critical retail businesses and supply chains running for those Waitrose customers.
Perhaps they have had enough.
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C'mon, Pip - you're just sore that Waitrose in Barry closed recently. I wonder why!
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01-12-2021, 17:18
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
That’s why it’s just laughable, stating a £200 fine for not wearing a mask, which is totally unenforceable.
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The laughable thing is that it's very easy to avoid the situation.
Not suggesting that it is a good idea to do this, but, surely if one was inclined to try and circumvent the mask rules, then when challenged they simply need to say "I'm exempt from wearing a face covering" which means they can't be challenged further, denied entry or service, or fined for not wearing one.
Surely anyone who is wilfully inclined to transgress on this would know that anyway.
Regardless, as they have seen fit to make it law, and irrespective of whatever arguments one may have about the effectiveness or otherwise of masks, everyone who can wear one probably should until we know more about Omicron.
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01-12-2021, 17:26
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
That’s why it’s just laughable, stating a £200 fine for not wearing a mask, which is totally unenforceable.
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Exactly. A master stroke by Boris, who doesn’t want these restrictions but has to put out an olive branch to the scientists who are trying to take control, aided and abetted by the Opposition.
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Originally Posted by pip08456
Seems to me that particular class bore the brunt of lockdowns, mask mandates etc and didn't have jobs allowing them to WFH. A sizeable amount helped keep critical retail businesses and supply chains running for those Waitrose customers.
Perhaps they have had enough.
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They most certainly have.
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01-12-2021, 17:27
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Re: Coronavirus
End of the day anyone who can wear a mask and chooses not to wear a mask is just pig headed and they deserve a slap just for being disruptive
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01-12-2021, 17:36
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Re: Coronavirus
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End of the day anyone who can wear a mask and chooses not to wear a mask is just pig headed and they deserve a slap just for being disruptive
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And who will administer this slap
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01-12-2021, 17:38
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
Exactly. A master stroke by Boris, who doesn’t want these restrictions but has to put out an olive branch to the scientists who are trying to take control, aided and abetted by the Opposition.
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They most certainly have.
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These scientists who are are trying to take control, what's their agenda ? What will they do should they successfully take over the world?
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01-12-2021, 17:40
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Jaymoss
End of the day anyone who can wear a mask and chooses not to wear a mask is just pig headed and they deserve a slap just for being disruptive
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At the end of my day anyone that can wear a mask and chooses not to is expressing their personal freedoms.
If it was really important that they did wear a mask, I’d probably take a different view but the government doesn’t think it really important so neither do I.
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These scientists who are are trying to take control, what's their agenda ? What will they do should they successfully take over the world?
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Who said anything about scientists wanting to take over the world? You been watching Moonraker again?
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01-12-2021, 17:43
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
At the end of my day anyone that can wear a mask and chooses not to is expressing their personal freedoms.
If it was really important that they did wear a mask, I’d probably take a different view but the government doesn’t think it really important so neither do I.
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To be fair, the government thinks they're important enough to make them legally required in multiple environments.
Any person can indeed not wear a mask and choose to express their personal freedoms, the flip side is they could (and should) be fined if they're found to be breaking said laws.
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At the end of my day anyone that can wear a mask and chooses not to is expressing their personal freedoms.
If it was really important that they did wear a mask, I’d probably take a different view but the government doesn’t think it really important so neither do I.
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Who said anything about scientists wanting to take over the world? You been watching Moonraker again?
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OB posted about the scientists 'taking control' of what? who knows? but considering the vast majority of scientists globally are in agreement then you would have to assume said taking control is being done at a global level.....
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01-12-2021, 17:45
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Re: Coronavirus
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Who said anything about scientists wanting to take over the world?
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No one said the world, mrmistoffelees was getting it from here:
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
Exactly. A master stroke by Boris, who doesn’t want these restrictions but has to put out an olive branch to the scientists who are trying to take control, aided and abetted by the Opposition.
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01-12-2021, 17:50
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
To be fair, the government thinks they're important enough to make them legally required in multiple environments.
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And given them a “not wear a mask” option, penalty free, if they so choose.
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Any person can indeed not wear a mask and choose to express their personal freedoms, the flip side is they could (and should) be fined if they're found to be breaking said laws.
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They can’t. If approached by a policeman, you simply say I am exempt as it gives me anxiety - and that is it, conversation over the police cannot do anything.
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OB posted about the scientists 'taking control' of what? who knows? but considering the vast majority of scientists globally are in agreement then you would have to assume said taking control is being done at a global level.....
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Scientists in agreement? You sure about that? Some are some aren’t.
But in regards to measures, it is the government where the buck stops.
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No one said the world, mrmistoffelees was getting it from here:
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Mistoffelees did, but he was just ramping up what OB said, which I disagree with anyway
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