The traditional CF voting intentions thread, week 3

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Chris

1. Yes, I’m concerned for the apparent Parkinsonian symptoms Diane Abbot is exhibiting. I have no doubt she is also aware, and is likely taking medical advice. However, if she is happy to continue to pursue a political career while those symptoms are not debilitating, that’s up to her. Her hard left politics concern me, but TBH she is on the lunatic fringe of the Labour Party, whereas hard right politics is very much mainstream in the current Tory party and that is of far greater concern to me.

2. Angela Rayner has been investigated by the police and other authorities and is facing no further action. Not sure what your problem is?

3. The Senedd is a glorified county council and attracts politicians of that calibre. Its Labour membership, in particular, pretty much opted out of the New Labour project of the late 90s and early 2000s and as a result are prone to making lumbering, centralising, unreconstructed lefty errors with now very obvious consequences for the likes of the NHS in Wales. However, until voters in Wales lose their widespread compulsion to vote for anything in a red rosette regardless of their competence, they will continue to get the government they deserve.

4. Starmer is, I think, capable of quick thinking, but his instincts are to stop and chew things over rather than respond quickly. Watch back the infamous £2,000 claim in the ITV debate and you can visibly see Starmer thinking to himself, “Hang on, that’s not right, it’s so obviously not right there must be some reason I’ve not spotted for him to be even saying that … there could be a trap here, let me think it through.” As the debate unfolded over the subsequent 24 hours of course it became clear it was just a brazen lie designed to be so epic in scale that we all stop and assume it can’t be a lie, there must be some truth to it. If that’s how the Tories are going to conduct the next 4 weeks of campaigning, then Starmer is going to have to start trusting that he knows what he’s offering the electorate and act quickly to counteract misinformation about it.

1. I empathise with Diane of course. But she is not her old self, and if Labour do win, a possibly progressive illness is not a useful asset.

2. The Greater Manchester Police said that “matters involving council tax and personal tax do not fall into the jurisdiction of policing" which implies a limited "investigation" on their part which is just as well for Angela given that the same police force sent innocent Andy Malkinson to the slammer for 17 years.

3. Agreed. If a cry baby FM, a knackered health service and a 20mph speed limit don't do it, nothing will.

4. Yep, he's quick alright. He pretended to be gormless and he fooled me.

Originally Posted by Dave42

4 weeks to end of the worst government ever cant wait to see all the tories cry in sports halls

Unlikely, they already know the outcome, its not like it will come as a shock.

[denphone]

Rishi Sunak not getting a good press this morning from many prominent Conservative commentators.

[ianch99]

Sunak has messed up big time. Leaving the D-Day commemorations early to do a campaign interview shows how out of touch he and his team are.

BBC are now reporting that he is making a grovelling apology for leaving early.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Sunak has messed up big time. Leaving the D-Day commemorations early to do a campaign interview shows how out of touch he and his team are.

BBC are now reporting that he is making a grovelling apology for leaving early.

That is unacceptable on all levels. I don't think any kind of apology is going to cut it. What a plonker.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Chris

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3. The Senedd is a glorified county council and attracts politicians of that calibre. Its Labour membership, in particular, pretty much opted out of the New Labour project of the late 90s and early 2000s and as a result are prone to making lumbering, centralising, unreconstructed lefty errors with now very obvious consequences for the likes of the NHS in Wales. However, until voters in Wales lose their widespread compulsion to vote for anything in a red rosette regardless of their competence, they will continue to get the government they deserve.

This time around I think we’ve been stung by the lies, corruption, dishonesty and the effects of Long Boris to ever vote blue for a long time.

Nope Labour in Wales in not ideal. I’ve always thought it’s been a case of voting for who you think will do the least damage. Welsh Tories may not be Westminster Tories but they are definitely cut from the same cloth.

As such, no blue vote from myself or anyone I personally know, for a very very long time.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Dave42

4 weeks to end of the worst government ever cant wait to see all the tories cry in sports halls

They won't hang around to see it. They'll all be on their holidays. They know their days are numbered.

Will Sunak step down as Conservative leader?

Originally Posted by Kursk

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2. The Greater Manchester Police said that “matters involving council tax and personal tax do not fall into the jurisdiction of policing" which implies a limited "investigation" on their part which is just as well for Angela given that the same police force sent innocent Andy Malkinson to the slammer for 17 years.

HMRC have also confirmed there is no case.

This wasn't really going to go anywhere. The Tories did it just ahead of the local election campaign as a bit of politics.

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Sunak has messed up big time. Leaving the D-Day commemorations early to do a campaign interview shows how out of touch he and his team are.

BBC are now reporting that he is making a grovelling apology for leaving early.

I don't understand how he can be so stupid. This is a bit of clever politics that you need to be a Tony Blair character to spot.

Anyone with the most basic sense of politics or common sense would say that the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom does not leave the 80th commemoration of D-Day early. Even outside of an election, you don't do it. David Cameron was there did he not warn Sunak how it would look? There is a photo of the President of the United States, The President of France, The Chancellor of Germany and .... the UK foreign secretary. Thankfully Cameron is an ex-PM so it still looks statesmanlike from the UK. Even politically surely Sunak wants to be in that photo?

The thing is that it's so easy. You should want to do this as PM anyway. Which PM would not want to spend their time with D-Day veterans of every country on what will be the last ever chance to do so? Starmer stayed for the whole thing and I don't think that not attending, or leaving early, was ever considered for Labour. I don't think they even thought about it until Sunak left early.

When Suank left early did he not consider "Wait a moment, Starmer is staying behind? Maybe I should as well?". Maybe he thought he was being clever because Starmer won't be campaigning and he would?

It's bad politically, and morally, and a basic failure to do his job.

The guy is a complete moron.

We all indulge in performative outrage to a greater of lesser extent on forums like this. It’s a debating tactic after all. But this morning I am absolutely incensed that Sunak thought it was acceptable to leave D-Day commemorations even a second earlier than any of the other leaders present, in order to go on ITV and repeat his lies about Labour’s tax plans. Utterly extraordinary. And no amount of unreserved apology can undo the evidence of him being fundamentally unsuitable for the job of Prime Minister.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Paul

Unlikely, they already know the outcome, its not like it will come as a shock.

There’s got to be one or two gullible enough to think they’ll win their own seat though and losing their 80k a year job plus expenses might overwhelm them.

That said I’m not staying up for it.

[peanut]

It's starting to feel like there's too many 'mistakes' for it to be a mistake.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Chris

We all indulge in performative outrage to a greater of lesser extent on forums like this. It’s a debating tactic after all. But this morning I am absolutely incensed that Sunak thought it was acceptable to leave D-Day commemorations even a second earlier than any of the other leaders present, in order to go on ITV and repeat his lies about Labour’s tax plans. Utterly extraordinary. And no amount of unreserved apology can undo the evidence of him being fundamentally unsuitable for the job of Prime Minister.

You could be generous and say that the Prime Minister had issues at home to sort around the election. However, he left the actual Leader of the Opposition there who is tweeting photos of himself with veterans, the King and even Volodymyr Zelensky who, let’s be honest, has much bigger domestic issues going on than en election right now.

I am starting to wonder if there’s some kind of side bet to throw the election. Is Rishi Sunak going to be on Taskmaster or something with a task to get less than 100 MPs?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

HMRC have also confirmed there is no case.

This wasn't really going to go anywhere. The Tories did it just ahead of the local election campaign as a bit of politics.

It was put out there for the gullible but didn't work!

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It was put out there for the gullible but didn't work!

Obviously, not completely true...