Multiculturalism is dangerous

[roughbeast]

Originally Posted by nomadking

People are FORCED to eat Halal meat, that hasn't been slaughtered to UK/EU standard animal welfare conditions. As I pointed out, even Halal slaughtering the meat for use by non-Muslims is ILLEGAL. Do they consume all of the that 22% of chickens slaughtered in the UK? It's a form of cartel, where only one group is allowed to supply meat products.

Do you eat fish? If so you have probably been eating Halal. All fish, unless it has been farmed, is Halal.

Also, did you know that the standards of Kosher meat are almost the same as for Halal?

For slaughtered meat to be Halal or Kosher, it is important that the animal has been reared with high standards of husbandry, basically organically. Halal and Kosher meat animals are often raised on the same farms. It is also important that the animal is kept calm and content until it is killed. This is to reduce the amount of adrenaline released into the tissue and also because the Prophet demanded that all of Allah's creation is treated well. Traditionally, the animal is led to a feeding stall. While it is eating, a surgically sharp blade is passed through its jugular and windpipe. Properly done, the animal doesn't know it has been cut before it is unconscious. The slaughtered animal is then hung upside-down to bleed out. Blood is not consumed in Islam or Judaism. In both traditions the animal is blessed before slaughter.

Nowadays, because of UK traditions, and the perception that they are a less cruel way of killing an animal, the animal must be stunned before it has its throat cut. This is done with an electric shock or a stun gun.

Having witnessed both methods being done professionally my personal view is that traditional Islamic and Jewish methods are more humane if done properly. Maybe my view has been affected by seeing a 'stunned' cow hung upside-down whilst still conscious and having its abdomen cut open and screaming in pain and terror.

Originally Posted by Stephen

Secondly as someone with sight issues and being partially sighted I do take offence though to your attempt to turn sight into a joke.

Good grief.

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Originally Posted by Russ

It never crossed my mind and I eat at least 4 or 5 chicken breasts a day.

Wow, I thought I ate a lot of chicken, but I'm nowhere near that.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Russ

<SNIP>

Ditto. It never crossed my mind and I eat at least 4 or 5 chicken breasts a day.

Ah - now I understand.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Paul

Good grief.

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Wow, I thought I ate a lot of chicken, but I'm nowhere near that.

It’s why you look the way you do and I look the way I do

J/K

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by nomadking

People are FORCED to eat Halal meat, that hasn't been slaughtered to UK/EU standard animal welfare conditions. As I pointed out, even Halal slaughtering the meat for use by non-Muslims is ILLEGAL. Do they consume all of the that 22% of chickens slaughtered in the UK? It's a form of cartel, where only one group is allowed to supply meat products.

Wow, I didn’t know it was illegal to eat Halal meat. Which law am I breaking by going to the local kebab shop? What sort of sentence should I expect if the rozzers come calling?

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

My point is about 300,000 Muslims marching through London. Very intimidating especially because police could not protect the nearby public.

What a load of cobblers, I know quite a few people who went on the march and I can tell you they certainly aren't muslims. Next you'll be saying it was 300,000 gun carrying terrorists.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

What a load of cobblers, I know quite a few people who went on the march and I can tell you they certainly aren't muslims. Next you'll be saying it was 300,000 gun carrying terrorists.

?????

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

?????

Your description of the 300,000 seems to change from post to post, probably related to how intolerant you're feeling at the time. Look back through some your posts and you'll see how daft the statements about the 300,000 are.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Your description of the 300,000 seems to change from post to post, probably related to how intolerant you're feeling at the time. Look back through some your posts and you'll see how daft the statements about the 300,000 are.

Prove that.

I've been totally consistent about the 300,000. They are Hamas supporters who use the 'Free Palestine' metaphor to avoid arrest for antisemitism. That's what I've been saying in one way or another. I've also said that 300,000 on the march are unpoliceable, which explains why the 'From the river to the sea' supporters of genocide have not been arrested.

I would add, from what I could see in the videos, that the non-Muslims in the crowd are mainly younger people who know squat about anything.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Prove that.

I've been totally consistent about the 300,000. They are Hamas supporters who use the 'Free Palestine' metaphor to avoid arrest for antisemitism. That's what I've been saying in one way or another. I've also said that 300,000 on the march are unpoliceable, which explains why the 'From the river to the sea' supporters of genocide have not been arrested.

I would add, from what I could see in the videos, that the non-Muslims in the crowd are mainly younger people who know squat about anything.

It is you that has to prove your assertion. Given there is no evidence that all 300,000 marchers are Hamas supporters, you have all your work ahead of you to prove different.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

It is you that has to prove your assertion. Given there is no evidence that all 300,000 marchers are Hamas supporters, you have all your work ahead of you to prove different.

Grim said:

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth
Your description of the 300,000 seems to change from post to post, probably related to how intolerant you're feeling at the time. Look back through some your posts and you'll see how daft the statements about the 300,000 are.

It was his assertion I asked him to prove.

Get a grip and read things properly.

[Russ]

Hello pot, meet kettle. I see you’re both the same colour.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Russ

Hello pot, meet kettle. I see you’re both the same colour.

Possibly - but we don't need to eat 4 or 5 chicken breasts a day. Otherwise we'd look like you and that would never do.

[Russ]

Not sure I’ve said “we” need to eat that many.

Still waiting for a genuine answer to my question that isn’t a derivative of “I just don’t know” seeing as anything more substantial than that might go some way to giving your opinion a much-needed shot in the arm.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Prove that.

OK, no problem, here're are just a couple of examples of you changing description of the 300,000, but anybody reading your posts will know there are more versions out there:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

My point is about 300,000 Muslims marching through London. Very intimidating especially because police could not protect the nearby public.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Russ is blind to 300,000 Hamas supporting protestors asserting themselves in London and elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I would add, from what I could see in the videos, that the non-Muslims in the crowd are mainly younger people who know squat about anything.

And I would add, from what I see on here, the majority of the scare mongering posts are by older out of touch people who just have a thing against Muslims and who really haven't got a clue what they're on about beyond what their blind political allegiance tells them to do/say? The people I know who went on the march are highly qualified, professional and well paid people in their 40's, 50's and older and I'm pretty sure they know quite a lot about why they felt they had to go to London to join the march.