Coronavirus

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Happy to read your source.

However, all the news stories I can find on Omicron all trace back to this one paper:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...068v2.full.pdf

Where a study of 2.8m people previously infected found that 35,670 had been reinfected. A whopping 1.27%

In the small amount of time since discovery 1.27% is quite a lot considering exponential growth.

There is no real data on whether Omicron can evade current vaccines, or the severity of illness

There’s enough for everyone to hit the panic button.

I don't know about "substantial" but isn't that why we're having boosters anyway?

So you accept vaccines are waning and your simplistic “how many people have antibodies” statistic is absolutely irrelevant.

Oh. well I spent a lovely week in Bridgnorth last week, and I've been to the pub for a steak dinner pretty much every week for several months, so I've been doing my bit for the hoteliers and landlords.

And things are going so well in Australia, New Zealand and Europe. Yes, restrictions are the answer................

There's a few that should take a mental competency test.

Ironic for the thread sociopath to question the mental competency of anyone.

So pray, tell Pierre at what threshold for hospitalisations and deaths would you bring in restrictions?

Because ultimately if you have no threshold participating in an evidence based discussion with you is pointless.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

In the small amount of time since discovery 1.27% is quite a lot.

I'm not a statistician but 1.27% applied to anything is small, or is that what you tell your girlfriend?

There’s enough for everyone to hit the panic button.

You don't need evidence of anything to cause panic, as we have seen.

So you accept vaccines are waning and your simplistic “how many people have antibodies” statistic is absolutely irrelevant.

I accept that, like a flu jab, the efficacy of the vaccine against COVID will vary, and annual or bi-annual vaccines may be required. The higher the immune response in a population can only be a good thing n'est pas?

So pray, tell Pierre at what threshold for hospitalisations and deaths would you bring in restrictions?

I wouldn't. We have vaccines.

Because ultimately if you have no threshold participating in an evidence based discussion with you is pointless.

But if the evidence shows you don't need a threshold................

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I'm not a statistician but 1.27% applied to anything is small, or is that what you tell your girlfriend?

It’s always the tell that you are rattled when you resort to the petulant insults.

I accept that, like a flu jab, the efficacy of the vaccine against COVID will vary,

A massive climbdown in a mere two posts.

I wouldn't.

At least confirmation that regardless of what the evidence says you will always reach the same conclusion. As many of us have long suspected.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

In the small amount of time since discovery 1.27% is quite a lot considering exponential growth.

<SNIP>

Given that actuality preceded "discovery" by at least a couple of months, perhaps the "exponential growth" to 1.27% could be considered small.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s always the tell that you are rattled when you resort to the petulant insults.

no, I’m just very immature.

A massive climbdown in a mere two posts.

how so?

At least confirmation that regardless of what the evidence says you will always reach the same conclusion. As many of us have long suspected.

What does the evidence say?

I am going to start handing out topic breaks to people who cannot debate amicably, jfman, wind your neck in, you will be first to get a topic ban if your petty and petulant arguing continues.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Pierre

over 90% of the population have COVID antibodies.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...hts/antibodies

The T-cells are also important in fighting all infections.

[SnoopZ]

Happy News from me........

On 12th of November both my parents tested positive for Covid my Mum recovered after a few weeks but my Father's Oxygen levels were low so an Ambulance was called, after 1hr lying in the Ambulance queue outside A&E he was eventually off-loaded, but then spent a further 3hrs waiting to get a bed.

As if catching Covid wasn't enough for a 79 year old with very little immune system he was also diagnosed with Pneumonia and Sepsis!

He was put on Oxygen and Antibiotic, it got to the point where he was struggling to breath and I generally thought I wouldn't see him again!

But with the odds stacked against him he has recovered enough for him to be taken off Oxygen, he's still weak and needs help walking as his lungs need to recover from the pneumonia but he has now been sent home and I have just had a 17min video chat with him and from what I see of his face and the way he was talking so confidently looks so happy.

He had been double vaccinated and boostered but was told he would have been in ICU if he hadn't of been or worse.

Big smile again from me.

[joglynne]

Very happy for you SnoopZ. Hopefully now he's home he will be able to make a good recovery. xx

[Jaymoss]

Glad he is recovering buddy

[SnoopZ]

Thank you.

[jfman]

If Javid’s right and there’s hundreds of folk out there with with it not knowing it, household contacts not self isolating, etc. get your money on a Christmas lockdown. And lockdown lockdown not you can go to the pub with 4 mates from 3 households wearing a mask restrictions.

When’s the school holidays in England that’s a good starting point a free couple of weeks.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by jfman

If Javid’s right and there’s hundreds of folk out there with with it not knowing it, household contacts not self isolating, etc. get your money on a Christmas lockdown. And lockdown lockdown not you can go to the pub with 4 mates from 3 households wearing a mask restrictions.

When’s the school holidays in England that’s a good starting point a free couple of weeks.

Not going to happen

Unless the NHS is put under a sustained significant risk of collapse and there’s a major uptick in deaths then the economy comes first.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Not going to happen

Unless the NHS is put under a sustained significant risk of collapse and there’s a major uptick in deaths then the economy comes first.

They’ve always taken that stance and consistently proven wrong so I’d not put too much weight into their intentions. There’s a number of cases that’s going to be a breaking point, the question is whether this variant is enough to push it there.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

If Javid’s right and there’s hundreds of folk out there with with it not knowing it, household contacts not self isolating, etc.

Exactly how is that scenario any different from any day since we opened back up?

The fact that the vaccinated (which is just about everybody nowadays) can catch and transmit, means that will always be the case. It will circulate around the population probably until the end of time.

You should work for Sky or the BBC.

Deaths and Hospitalisations have been in steady decline since the end of October. There would have to be a significant upturn in the next two weeks for it to be even considered.