16-10-2022, 17:50
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Trollsplatter
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Re: Coronavirus
Anyone with a smartphone and 10 minutes on the bog can do it
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17-10-2022, 15:44
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Re: Coronavirus
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17-10-2022, 16:39
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Re: Coronavirus
If,you really want to know, the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency report side effects reported to them on a monthly basis through the Yellow Card scheme. Here is their current report - https://www.gov.uk/government/public...card-reporting
This is the raw data so there might or might not be a real link between the reported issue and the vaccine and the reports are very clear on this.
Anyone can report side effects here - https://coronavirus-yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/
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17-10-2022, 17:24
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Trollsplatter
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Ramrod
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.. and the thread hits a new low.
Sorry but I have zero tolerance for conspiracy nuts and their websites.
Any fool can “do their research”. The problem is, fools lack the analytical skills to evaluate raw data and reach balanced conclusions.
Covid vax conspiracies are the domain of fools. And that’s really all there is to it.
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17-10-2022, 18:00
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Re: Coronavirus
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If,you really want to know, the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency report side effects reported to them on a monthly basis through the Yellow Card scheme.
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Are you aware that the yellow card scheme is underreported to the tune of 90-99%? (They aren't sure of the exact number)
It's the same for VAERS in the USA.
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.. and the thread hits a new low.
Sorry but I have zero tolerance for conspiracy nuts and their websites.
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Did you watch the clip?
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17-10-2022, 18:22
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Trollsplatter
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Ramrod
Are you aware that the yellow card scheme is underreported to the tune of 90-99%? (They aren't sure of the exact number)
It's the same for VAERS in the USA.
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Did you watch the clip?
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I will, when I have time to explore it fully and in context. I have no plans to watch it in isolation, with the cast put on it by a website with an obvious agenda. This is precisely the point I was making earlier, and why a great many keyboard warriors who claim to have done their research have in fact done no such thing.
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17-10-2022, 18:24
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Re: Coronavirus
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I will, when I have time to explore it fully and in context. I have no plans to watch it in isolation, with the cast put on it by a website with an obvious agenda.
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Please do. It's from GB news. It's interviewing a vaccine damaged BBC reporter. Also discusses the young BBC presenter who died due to the jab.
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18-10-2022, 08:59
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Ramrod
Are you aware that the yellow card scheme is underreported to the tune of 90-99%? (They aren't sure of the exact number)
It's the same for VAERS in the USA.
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Did you watch the clip?
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Pretty startling if true. The report gives a figure of 145,086,498 doses given and 1,511,966 side effects reported which is pretty much 1%. If the actual figure is 100 times this, then everyone is getting side effects. I agree that there will be underreporting for the common already noted side effects such as fever, fatigue and headaches. If anything, there will be a bias towards more severe side effects being reported.
You can only work with the data you have of course. The Yellow Card scheme is not a clinical trial level of data collection as it relies on active reporting. However, it does give a guide to what is happening in the field.
I did watch the clip. She is claiming that the vaccine caused her issues. That may or may not have been the case. If it was, that is a terrible thing for her but all the evidence points to this type of side effect being very rare. No drug is without risk but that risk needs to be balanced against the clinical need.
No one is hiding the potential side effects of these vaccines, a leaflet was handed out at the time of administration. The Yellow Card scheme is useful to highlight rare but serious side effects that only are seen when the pool of people having the vaccine gets much larger.
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18-10-2022, 09:15
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Re: Coronavirus
Even if you did believe the yellow scheme is underreported to the tune of 99% or whatever then you also need to assume that every other regulatory body across Europe and the Western world, i.e ones we trust, are wrong too. America, Germany, France, Japan, Canada, Australia.....
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18-10-2022, 09:18
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Chris
I will, when I have time to explore it fully and in context. I have no plans to watch it in isolation, with the cast put on it by a website with an obvious agenda. This is precisely the point I was making earlier, and why a great many keyboard warriors who claim to have done their research have in fact done no such thing.
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18-10-2022, 11:49
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Damien
Even if you did believe the yellow scheme is underreported to the tune of 99% or whatever then you also need to assume that every other regulatory body across Europe and the Western world, i.e ones we trust, are wrong too. America, Germany, France, Japan, Canada, Australia.....
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That seems to be the case.
edit: and the underreporting isn't what I believe. I was taught it 30+ years ago and current literature states the same.
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18-10-2022, 11:57
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Trollsplatter
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Re: Coronavirus
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That seems to be the case.
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And that’s the essence of the conspiracy theory mindset. You pick your conclusion, then make the facts fit. No matter how bonkers the results.
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18-10-2022, 12:24
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Ramrod
Please do. It's from GB news. It's interviewing a vaccine damaged BBC reporter. Also discusses the young BBC presenter who died due to the jab.
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GB News doesn't have a good reputation on the Covid front
https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...ark-steyn-show
But the key thing is surely the statitical significance - two people out of a UK population of 65m is a low number.
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18-10-2022, 12:40
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Re: Coronavirus
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Are you saying the guardian does?
Lmfao. I trust GB News a lot more than that hard lefty rag, I wouldn’t mop up cat piss with.
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18-10-2022, 12:42
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Re: Coronavirus
I think it's up to the individual to consume information from all corners and decide for themselves.
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