Coronavirus

I wonder what the practicalities are in moving to literally do vaccinations 24/7 with trained, but not medical, staff?

Old/at risk people during normal hours but then younger key workers over night if they desire it? Supermarket workers, drivers, teachers, transport staff, medical workers and so on?

Originally Posted by jfman

The Scottish Government is following the advice of the same group as the UK Government, so I doubt they will have separate scientific evidence to justify diverging.

As I say, let’s see what other independent countries do. Especially those primarily rolling out the Pfizer vaccine which I think they’ve said is 91% effective with one dose.

The change from 2 weeks to 12 weeks obviously allows them to push higher the figures for those vaccinated without such pressure on the ability of the distribution chains to ramp up. From the Government that counted a left glove separate from a right glove to massage the figures of PPE available I think I’ll retain my healthy scepticism towards British exceptionalism for now.

You’re trying to have your cake and eat it.

The scientific advice is not the British establishment trying to keep the economy moving; it is a set of predictions of different scenarios based on best available evidence. The British establishment is in government. Its motives are rightly there to be scrutinised and criticised.

The SNP has access to the scientific advice. It also comes out in hives when forced to deal with the British establishment. If its actions are essentially similar to those in Ingerlund that casts doubt on your suspicion that decisions down south are being driven by establishment figures looking after their share portfolios. The SNP has no reason to mirror decisions that reflect the preferences of the establishment in Westminster.

Most of the SNP's advice isn't dramatically different either. It's usually just a little bit extra on top. If Boris Johnson was to announce school is closed for anyone aged over 6 the SNP will come out and say 'well, we're actually taking this seriously' and say anyone aged over 5 instead.

Originally Posted by Damien

Most of the SNP's advice isn't dramatically different either. It's usually just a little bit extra on top. If Boris Johnson was to announce school is closed for anyone aged over 6 the SNP will come out and say 'well, we're actually taking this seriously' and say anyone aged over 5 instead.

Precisely my point. They’re mad keen to differentiate even when acting on the same advice. You can bet the farm they’d pursue a different vaccination strategy if they thought the English one was being driven by English establishment greed and complacency rather than by the science.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating ... if we see a rapid, single-jab strategy rolled out in Scotland with a second jab delayed until spring, then we can be as confident as possible that both England and Scotland are following emerging clinical advice and making considered decisions based on that, and not on rather cynical concerns about the prosperity of wealthy English Tories.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

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In short ‘I dunno’. </snip>

and there is the honest answer for about 85% of the questions asked about Covid 19

[joglynne]

Full list of all tier 3 and 4 changes efective from tomorrow.

Millions more people are facing tighter COVID restrictions as the government extends Tier 4 rules to cover more areas in England.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock announced the changes to MPs on Wednesday, saying that, although they will "place a significant burden on people...I'm afraid it's absolutely necessary".

He added: "Sharply rising cases and the hospitalisations that follow demonstrate the need to act where the virus is spreading."

The changes will move an additional 20 million people into Tier 4, meaning a total of 44 million people (78% of England's population) will be in that toughest tier.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...cases-12175609

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Chris

You’re trying to have your cake and eat it.

The scientific advice is not the British establishment trying to keep the economy moving; it is a set of predictions of different scenarios based on best available evidence. The British establishment is in government. Its motives are rightly there to be scrutinised and criticised.

The SNP has access to the scientific advice. It also comes out in hives when forced to deal with the British establishment. If its actions are essentially similar to those in Ingerlund that casts doubt on your suspicion that decisions down south are being driven by establishment figures looking after their share portfolios. The SNP has no reason to mirror decisions that reflect the preferences of the establishment in Westminster.

I’m not trying to have my cake and eat it. Yes, some things the devolved administrations do varies and others it has aligned with UK advice (e.g. changing of the quarantine/self isolation periods). You are trying to justify the English position simply by narrowing the scope to whether Scotland agrees. It’s a big wide world out there. I don’t consider Scotland particularly exceptional either.

As I say, I’d be genuinely interested to see if other independent countries e.g. the United States go down this route. If they do we may be onto something.

Sick of all this Tier 3 and 4 bullshit, Sage advisors for the government has explicitly stated that it needs something more stronger than Tier 4 to stop this new variant, so what does Bojo go do....?

.....Place millions more in Tier 4, just issue another lockdown NOW, that you're going to have to do in a weeks time anyway, close all schools and stop doing this delay crap and get it done.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Chris

The proof of the pudding is in the eating ... if we see a rapid, single-jab strategy rolled out in Scotland with a second jab delayed until spring, then we can be as confident as possible that both England and Scotland are following emerging clinical advice and making considered decisions based on that, and not on rather cynical concerns about the prosperity of wealthy English Tories.

I fail to see why the European Union, United States or others wouldn’t jump at such a move if it were proven to be worthwhile.

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Originally Posted by Mick

Sick of all this Tier 3 and 4 bullshit, Sage advisors for the government has explicitly stated that it needs something more stronger than Tier 4 to stop this new variant, so what does Bojo go do....?

.....Place millions more in Tier 4, just issue another lockdown NOW, that you're going to have to do in a weeks time anyway, close all schools and stop doing this delay crap and get it done.

100% agreement from me.

BREAKING: COVID-19 Tally of 981 deaths in last 24 hours.

That is a LOT.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: COVID-19 Tally of 981 deaths in last 24 hours.

That is a LOT.

Good grief is that the highest daily total of deaths thus so far or was there a higher tally in the first lockdown.

l fear these next few weeks are going to get very bad in terms of people lost to the virus.

Originally Posted by denphone

Good grief is that the highest daily total of deaths thus so far or was there a higher tally in the first lockdown.

l fear these next few weeks are going to get very bad in terms of people lost to the virus.

1,224 was highest total in 24 hours according to WHO on 22/04/2020.

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BREAKING: Education Secretary says Majority of Primary Schools to reopen on 4/01/2021 and Secondary Schools and Colleges reopening on 18/01/2021

[joglynne]

It seems that both the antivirus vaccinations available will have their 2nd booster shot at 3 months, delaying the Pfizer’s Covid Vaccine as well as the Oxford AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine. Although it appears that Pfizer never tested this extra delay in their research trials.
An insight into the move ....

More to be vaccinated faster – officials approve new jab rollout plan

UK NewsPublished: 6 hours ago Last Updated: 3 hours ago

https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/23/...rly-data-show/

[mrmistoffelees]

Boris and the government ignoring the science again....

[jfman]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Boris and the government ignoring the science again....

Now now it must be the civil servants fault...