U.S Election 2016

Originally Posted by Osem

I heard Baroness Chakrabati being interviewed on TV this morning. Evidently she says doesn't want to offend Trump but doesn't mind calling him a racist, misogynist. Unsuprisngly she didn't have too much to say about all the other oppressive leaders who've been granted state visits in the past and whose records (as opposed to rhetoric) are far worse than Trump's. Still I suppose we weren't being 'governed' by Twitter-rage in those days...

There is so much injustice in the world do we need to have condemn very single one of them to able to condemn another? I don't think she was in favor of those state visits. Under such logic everyone would be a hypocrite anytime they condemned anyone.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i don't think it's the libtard way to keep out of other peoples business they have to be outraged on behalf of all those who aren't actually bothered what others are doing in their country .

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Osem

1 million sign petition to stop Trump's state visit. I wonder if there's been any abuse of that particular mechanism. If not maybe we ought to adopt it for minor stuff like general elections.

I heard Baroness Chakrabati being interviewed on TV this morning. Evidently she says doesn't want to offend Trump but doesn't mind calling him a racist, misogynist. Unsuprisngly she didn't have too much to say about all the other oppressive leaders who've been granted state visits in the past and whose records (as opposed to rhetoric) are far worse than Trump's. Still I suppose we weren't being 'governed' by Twitter-rage in those days...

Indeed she said "let's call it for what it is, a ban on Muslims" .

It was then pointed out to her that it wasn't, she didn't correct herself, but just went on to say how nasty he was

Originally Posted by Pierre

It's not a Muslim ban.

It's a country ban, countries that the US deem to be risky. If you're a Christian from one of these countries you are also banned.

Pakistan the biggest muslim country in the world is not banned, nor is Indonesia.

If you are muslim from the UK, France, Spain etc you are not banned.

The US Embassy in London disagrees with you...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7552911.html

However a statement issued by the US embassy in London on Monday morning marked as an “urgent notice” said that no visas would be issued to any dual nationals of the countries listed under the “Muslim ban”.

It said the embassy would not even see dual nationals of the countries listed by Mr Trump for interviews to arrange a visa to travel to America.

“Per U.S. Presidential Executive Order signed on January 27, 2017, visa issuance to aliens from the countries of Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen has been suspended effective immediately until further notification,” the US embassy’s statement said.

“If you are a national, or dual national, of one of these countries, please do not schedule a visa appointment or pay any visa fees at this time.

“If you already have an appointment scheduled, please DO NOT ATTEND your appointment as we will not be able to proceed with your visa interview.”

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

There is so much injustice in the world do we need to have condemn very single one of them to able to condemn another? I don't think she was in favor of those state visits. Under such logic everyone would be a hypocrite anytime they condemned anyone.

No it wouldn't because the tone and severity of language being used to make those condemnations ought to reflect the reality not what people think he's going to do. The way people are talking about Trump at this stage anyone would think he's a murdering despot like Saddam Hussein. He isn't! Yes, Trump's been an idiot and been very offensive in his remarks to certain groups but on the Richter scale of world evil right now he registers very low down the list. Yes that may change and if it does that'll be the time to resort to all the demonisation.

Meantime the Twitterati will continue demonising Trump using their Chinese made devices. That's true hypocrisy for you.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Osem

Meantime the Twitterati will continue demonising Trump using their Chinese made devices. That's true hypocrisy for you.

Because their computers are made in China, should they be silenced from sharing their opinions with anyone?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

The US Embassy in London disagrees with you...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7552911.html

We've already covered this, that statement is for dual nationals.

Ok,perhaps I should have said if you are a UK citizen, and not also a national of the listed states, then you are not banned.

it doesn't change that it is not a muslim ban, if you are Christian in the UK, but also a national of the other states then you are banned.

It is not a Muslim ban.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

The people who voted for him obviously wanted this and given the US is not mine nor your country, it's none of our business.

Then why are you posting in the thread about the US Election 2016 if what goes on there is none of your business?

What I see here is you come up with a weak, flawed "alternative fact" theory to support Trump which is clearly rubbish. You then see that your argument has no credibility whatsoever so you come up with the "well, actually, it none of our business what happens in the US" after countless posts in this thread totally making the US election your business.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

The US Embassy in London disagrees with you...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7552911.html

What is going on? Boris Johnson proudly boasted about extracting concessions for Britsih citizens with dual nationality but subsequently the US Embassy in London has contradicted him. Doesn't bode well for the trade deal with the US that Bo Jo is so anxious for.

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Originally Posted by Mick

I saw the story earlier today on the news. I refer you to my last post, whatever I/we agree/don't agree on is irrelevant, though I point out the massive hypocrisy, that there was already a 'Muslim ban' before this so called 'Muslim ban' before Trump became President and no-one bat an eyelid during or since it's inception.

I'm not sure you're being awfully fair here Mick.
You have requested posters to advise you of policies of Trump's that are divisive. When I supply an example of a potential policy that is described by Sir Mo Farah as divisive you refuse to say whether you agree if it divisive or not.
Why pose the question in the first place?

The US Embassy will change their advice soon apparently.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Then why are you posting in the thread about the US Election 2016 if what goes on there is none of your business?

You have a problem reading or understanding English?

...none of our business.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

The US Embassy will change their advice soon apparently.

What to?

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

What to?

That they'll be able to travel.

The US is backing down from the Green Card ban as well.

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Originally Posted by pip08456

You have a problem reading or understanding English?

'your' would be inclusive of 'our' there

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Damien

That they'll be able to travel.

The US is backing down from the Green Card ban as well.

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'your' would be inclusive of 'our' there

It would also be inclusive of everyone posting in this thread rather than individuals.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

That they'll be able to travel.

The US is backing down from the Green Card ban as well

Interesting. Looks like Trump is starting to appreciate the differences between running a privately-held company and running a country. And, far better to learn this lesson as early as possible.