PM Boris forms a government - Page 122

nomadking · 04-09-2019, 21:27

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Originally Posted by Hugh

https://twitter.com/dngbbc/status/11...itics-49557734

And what have been the new proposals from the EU?

1andrew1 · 04-09-2019, 21:27

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What, the fact that it would be impossible to get agreement for a new deal in under a fortnight?

Fairly relevant, I would have thought*...

*unless, of course, it was all a sham and the intention was to run the clock down and crash out with no deal

Nothing to see here, don't worry about the UK negotiating team being laid off, move along now ladies and gentlemen.

**Chris** · 04-09-2019, 21:27

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Originally Posted by Hugh

https://twitter.com/dngbbc/status/11...itics-49557734

As per usual, the commentariat makes the mistake of trying to attack Boris by taking his words super-literally, rather than considering how his words affect his chosen audience. His opponents choose to caricature him as a British Donald Trump, yet they seem serially unable to learn the one obvious lesson arising from that. Enough people like what he says well enough to keep supporting him.

But by all means, keep on pointing and sniggering about factual inaccuracies in rhetoric that ultimately make precisely no difference whatsoever to the outcome of anything at all.

Pierre · 04-09-2019, 21:28

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The rebel bill may not become law before Parliament is prorogued on Monday. As of right now the Lords is debating a business motion designed to allow it to fast-track approval of the bill in a similar way to its treatment in the Commons. However, Brexiteer Lords have so far tabled 102 amendments to the business motion. The way the Lords operates compels it to debate every one of the amendments and to vote on each one twice. The rule of thumb is to allow one hour per amendment. The rules also permit continuous sitting until the agenda is cleared, but that means they’re looking at more than 100 hours of continuous debate. That takes them well into Saturday evening, and at that point they haven’t even begun debating the anti no deal bill.

If the Brexiteers in the Lords have themselves well organised and they’ve got enough Red Bull, then they will stall the bill until it is forcibly killed off by prorogation.

https://order-order.com/2019/09/04/r...r-legislation/

One can only hope. But it’s a bit desperate isn’t it.

1andrew1 · 04-09-2019, 21:29

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Originally Posted by nomadking

And what have been the new proposals from the EU?

They're still waiting BoJo's amazing proposals.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

One can only hope. But it’s a bit desperate isn’t it.

That's the Cummings approach - desperate or courageous. Take your pick.

Pierre · 04-09-2019, 21:30

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Structure's been laid out, first thing is to sign up to withdrawal agreement negotiated with Theresa May, leave EU then finalise trade deal.

I don’t know where you have been for the last six months, but that deal has been rejected by Parliament 3 times and will not be brought back.

Can you come up with another first thing?

**Chris** · 04-09-2019, 21:32

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One can only hope. But it’s a bit desperate isn’t it.

Fight fire with fire ... the Opposition has been playing fast and loose with convention in order to get this far. They shouldn’t dish it out if they can’t take it. I think it’s past time for a bit of good old fashioned filibustering.

Pierre · 04-09-2019, 21:34

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Originally Posted by Hugh

What, the fact that it would be impossible to get agreement for a new deal in under a fortnight?

Fairly relevant, I would have thought*...

*unless, of course, it was all a sham and the intention was to run the clock down and crash out with no deal

Damian Grammaticas?

Does he work in, or for, the EU then? Does he lead an EU member state?

Does he control EU policy?

Just checking.

Gavin78 · 04-09-2019, 21:34

Well I voted to crash out with a no deal I fully understood what I was voting for but well you can't help the stupid that didn't understand they shouldn't have voted in that instant. As for the remain camp there should be a law past stopping them getting involved it's nothing to do with them after the vote.

I don't see the point of having a PM if the house can take control at any time

Carth · 04-09-2019, 21:35

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Originally Posted by Hugh

*unless, of course, it was all a sham and the intention was to run the clock down and crash out with no deal

Seems a good plan, almost as clever as the one where we keep kicking the can down the road with extension after extension . .

Pierre · 04-09-2019, 21:36

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Originally Posted by Chris

Fight fire with fire ... the Opposition has been playing fast and loose with convention in order to get this far. They shouldn’t dish it out if they can’t take it. I think it’s past time for a bit of good old fashioned filibustering.

Out of interest, as I honestly don’t know. What is the status of the upper house.

We have remainer House of Commons, how so the lords?

I would have thought the same, as the lords are even more on the gravey train than the commons, but less egos.

nomadking · 04-09-2019, 21:39

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Structure's been laid out, first thing is to sign up to withdrawal agreement negotiated with Theresa May, leave EU then finalise trade deal.

If that is the case, then why hasn't that "deal"(whatever it's meant to be) been presented instead of the Withdrawal Agreement? If that is the case then there would supposedly be no need for any backstop, because everything else would supposedly be sewn up pretty quickly.

denphone · 04-09-2019, 21:39

No surprise here.

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Government is defeated again in motion on general election
As expected, Boris Johnson has suffered another big loss, with the Commons rejecting his motion calling for a general election.

Ayes:298
Noes: 56

nomadking · 04-09-2019, 21:40

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Originally Posted by Hugh

What, the fact that it would be impossible to get agreement for a new deal in under a fortnight?

Fairly relevant, I would have thought*...

*unless, of course, it was all a sham and the intention was to run the clock down and crash out with no deal

It's the EU that isn't remotely prepared to budge on anything

Pierre · 04-09-2019, 21:40

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Originally Posted by Gavin78

Well I voted to crash out with a no deal I fully understood what I was voting for but well you can't help the stupid that didn't understand they shouldn't have voted in that instant. As for the remain camp there should be a law past stopping them getting involved it's nothing to do with them after the vote.

I don't see the point of having a PM if the house can take control at any time

Indeed, the legislators taking on the role of the executive. What’s the point of the whole sorry mess. They should all resign they’re an embarrassment, and the fact they don’t have the necessary appendages to have an election. Non of them have any credibility.