U.S Election 2016

[papa smurf]

he seems to be living up to the promises made in the run up to the election and given that he won ,it would seem he has the people on his side they knew exactly what they voted for he blurted it out at every opportunity .

Originally Posted by papa smurf

he seems to be living up to the promises made in the run up to the election and given that he won ,it would seem he has the people on his side they knew exactly what they voted for he blurted it out at every opportunity .

Winning an election doesn't justify immoral acts. How would you like if you were separated from your family in a country you were legally entitled to live in and had been living in?

These are legal immigrants. All the proper documentation. They live in America. They're being denied entry back in because of where they were born.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Damien

Winning an election doesn't justify immoral acts. How would you like if you were separated from your family in a country you were legally entitled to live in and had been living in?

its an election promise being fulfilled ,and not being american i don't see it as any of my business ,in the same way that i don't expect Americans to interfere with our domestic policies , i would imagine the wording of the executive order will probably be amended if it is deemed necessary.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

he seems to be living up to the promises made in the run up to the election and given that he won ,it would seem he has the people on his side they knew exactly what they voted for he blurted it out at every opportunity .

Neither Trump nor his supporters had the first clue of the consequences of some of his proposed actions ,they simply voted for populist nonsense and will now pay the price .

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

It also applies to citizen with a joint nationality. So British citizens, if born in Iraq or Syria for example, are banned. Again even if they have a green card: http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-vi...28654?mod=e2tw

I can't read that link as it's behind a paywall.

But if you're a dual-national that means you have an American passport and are an American citizen. You can't ban your own nationals.

There has to be something incorrect about that story surely.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

its an election promise being fulfilled ,and not being american i don't see it as any of my business ,in the same way that i don't expect Americans to interfere with our domestic policies , i would imagine the wording of the executive order will probably be amended if it is deemed necessary.

So you think that fulfilling election promises trumps peoples legal rights and allows for breaking families apart,and it's very much our business because whatever that idiot does will directly affect the rest of the developed world ,we are still recovering from the last time America sneezed.

Originally Posted by Pierre

I can't read that link as it's behind a paywall.

But if you're a dual-national that means you have an American passport and are an American citizen. You can't ban your own nationals.

There has to be something incorrect about that story surely.

It means dual-nationality of a nationality other than one of the banned countries. So a British-Iranian for example. Not dual nationality with America.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Damien

It also applies to citizen with a joint nationality. So British citizens, if born in Iraq or Syria for example, are banned. Again even if they have a green card: http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-vi...28654?mod=e2tw

Nice sub link Damien.

Originally Posted by Pierre

I can't read that link as it's behind a paywall.

But if you're a dual-national that means you have an American passport and are an American citizen. You can't ban your own nationals.

There has to be something incorrect about that story surely.

An Iranian with American nationality is banned ,an American with Iranian nationality is not .The ban applies to Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Libya, Yemen and Somalia with more countries to be added to the list

if you type "Trump Visa Ban Also Applies to Citizens With Dual Nationality, State Department Says"you will get the full article from the WSJ

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

It means dual-nationality of a nationality other than one of the banned countries. So a British-Iranian for example. Not dual nationality with America.

Oh, ok.

Well he's doing two - three things.

- he's honouring his election promises, something our politicians could learn

- he's sending out a hardline message to any would be terrorists or accomplices.

- he's setting out that in his presidency he is not scared to go to places that previous politicians wouldn't dare go for fear of political correctness and upsetting people.

Is that wise? Maybe.

Is it right to penalise innocent people?? I would say not.

But he is setting his stall out early.

People voted for change and for action, and they're going to get it, it would appear.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Oh, ok.

Well he's doing two - three things.

- he's honouring his election promises, something our politicians could learn

- he's sending out a hardline message to any would be terrorists or accomplices.

- he's setting out that in his presidency he is not scared to go to places that previous politicians wouldn't dare go for fear of political correctness and upsetting people.

Is that wise? Maybe.

Is it right to penalise innocent people?? I would say not.

But he is setting his stall out early.

People voted for change and for action, and they're going to get it, it would appear.

What if that election promise is unworkable rubbish ,should he still honour it?

[richard s]

May has to Brown nose Trump otherwise our country will be up the creek without a paddle.

People have pointed out that Mo Farah, who trains in Portland, won't be able to now. Not a surprise given the order but a sign of how barmy this policy is.

Still no official rescinding of the green card issue but a couple of people have been released so far, others were sent back before they got on the plane. It's being enforced in Dublin Airport as of a few hours ago. CNN reported they'll be allowed back in after an interview with an official if the official judges it to be fine but no idea what's going on.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by martyh

What if that election promise is unworkable rubbish ,should he still honour it?

He should try.

And yet the countries that the 9/11 terrorists came from are not on the list of countries that are banned...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijack...ber_11_attacks

The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men affiliated with al-Qaeda. 15 of the 19 were citizens of Saudi Arabia, and the others were from the United Arab Emirates (2), Egypt and Lebanon.[1]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...fugee-program/

The order, which came into force as soon as Mr Trump signed it on Friday afternoon, requires US border officials to turn away any person arriving from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen for the next 90 days, whether or not they have a green card.