Liz Truss Resigns [Who'll be the next Prime Minister?]

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

What he said.

We all agree there’s some things better left to the market. It’s clear for energy that either way there’s a role for the state. The question after that is to benefit who exactly.

It’s difficult to rationalise that should be global energy companies already making supernormal profits in the absence of genuine competition.

By not taking control of these resources - or a sizeable proportion of our demand for them at a minimum - we leave ourselves exposed to being price gouged at every emerging geopolitical crisis. That hits our citizens and businesses equally, generating inflationary pressures and increasing instability.

French taxpayers who now own 100% of EDF UK must be pretty happy with Truss's decision. Macron can't believe his luck!

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by pip08456

So the North Sea is the only place to invest in energy self sufficientcy?

Don't you think SMR's would be a good investment?

https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovati...ction-overview

Or you could ask the appropriate person your question, you know, the one who said investment in the North Sea would be reviewed in the light of a windfall tax and then basically said sod it we're making so much it won't make a difference

Originally Posted by jfman

What he said.

We all agree there’s some things better left to the market. It’s clear for energy that either way there’s a role for the state. The question after that is to benefit who exactly.

It’s difficult to rationalise that should be global energy companies already making supernormal profits in the absence of genuine competition.

By not taking control of these resources - or a sizeable proportion of our demand for them at a minimum - we leave ourselves exposed to being price gouged at every emerging geopolitical crisis. That hits our citizens and businesses equally, generating inflationary pressures and increasing instability.

When you look at where this country used to be in terms of nuclear power the state we now find ourselves is shocking. We had the first civil nuclear power programme in the world and designed and built our own reactors. Now apparently we’re unable to do anything without the blessing of EDF including, it should be noted, its trade union which has a seat on the board and understandably has demanded to know, from time to time, why this level of investment is being spent in the UK rather than in France.

Not sure all this is relevant to the topic.

Please discuss energy investment in the energy topic.

[Sephiroth]

I'll put in a different angle on all this.

The poxy press have gratuitously noted that the top 4 cabinet members are not white. Why would they do that? What purpose does it serve other than to signal some sort of woke virtue?

It causes the contrary question to be asked: what's wrong with white people? What's so wonderful about non-whites having these positions?

Had the poxy press not made their observation, nobody would have turned a hair at the colour of the skin of cabinet members.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The poxy press have gratuitously noted that the top 4 cabinet members are not white. Why would they do that? What purpose does it serve other than to signal some sort of woke virtue?

It causes the contrary question to be asked: what's wrong with white people? What's so wonderful about non-whites having these positions?

They've mentioned it but it's hardly the lead story.

And it's significant because it's the first time that none of the big offices of state has been held by a white man. There wasn't a meeting one year in the 70s, 80s or 90s where everyone collectively decided to end racism and misogyny and that was it. It's a process and this is more evidence of that progress. Showing that your race or gender need not be a hindrance to occupying the most senior positions in this country is something worth noting.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I'll put in a different angle on all this.

The poxy press have gratuitously noted that the top 4 cabinet members are not white. Why would they do that? What purpose does it serve other than to signal some sort of woke virtue?

It causes the contrary question to be asked: what's wrong with white people? What's so wonderful about non-whites having these positions?

Had the poxy press not made their observation, nobody would have turned a hair at the colour of the skin of cabinet members.

Social mobility has been a particular problem amongst people from ethnic minorities in the UK. Their presence in the cabinet signals that things are - slowly - changing. It is unlikely to alter the deliberations of cabinet very much because none of these people has come straight from a ghetto to government so they don’t bring that perspective. But their highly visible presence may perhaps permit some people from those places to dream and to aim for it themselves.

Without the “poxy press” making these observations, I am quite sure plenty of people from BAME backgrounds are making them for themselves.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I'll put in a different angle on all this.

The poxy press have gratuitously noted that the top 4 cabinet members are not white. Why would they do that? What purpose does it serve other than to signal some sort of woke virtue?

It causes the contrary question to be asked: what's wrong with white people? What's so wonderful about non-whites having these positions?

Had the poxy press not made their observation, nobody would have turned a hair at the colour of the skin of cabinet members.

Wonder what people of these ethnicities say about this, wonder if they feel represented, wonder if they think these people understand their hopes, troubles and hardships, more likely I suspect they'll say the only thing they have in common with them is an abundance of menalin

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

When you look at where this country used to be in terms of nuclear power the state we now find ourselves is shocking. We had the first civil nuclear power programme in the world and designed and built our own reactors. Now apparently we’re unable to do anything without the blessing of EDF including, it should be noted, its trade union which has a seat on the board and understandably has demanded to know, from time to time, why this level of investment is being spent in the UK rather than in France.

In the UK, our expertise in nuclear power reduced when the power companies were privatised and the company running nuclear power stations, British Energy, was acquired by EDF.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Chris

Social mobility has been a particular problem amongst people from ethnic minorities in the UK. Their presence in the cabinet signals that things are - slowly - changing. It is unlikely to alter the deliberations of cabinet very much because none of these people has come straight from a ghetto to government so they don’t bring that perspective. But their highly visible presence may perhaps permit some people from those places to dream and to aim for it themselves.

Without the “poxy press” making these observations, I am quite sure plenty of people from BAME backgrounds are making them for themselves.

And that's how it should be.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

And that's how it should be.

Pretty sure it isn’t. The Press exists to document and critique our national life. Nothing should be off limits.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

It causes the contrary question to be asked: what's wrong with white people? What's so wonderful about non-whites having these positions?

Well that depends on why they were appointed.
If they were appointed to deliberately be "non white", thats a problem.
If they were appointed because they are the best person for the job, and happen to be non white, then I dont see an issue.

Some sites making a point about it does however seem like typical woke signalling.
I had not noticed, or given it a second thought until the BBC made a point of mentioning it.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Paul

Well that depends on why they were appointed.
If they were appointed to deliberately be "non white", thats a problem.
If they were appointed because they are the best person for the job, and happen to be non white, then I dont see an issue.

Some sites making a point about it does however seem like typical woke signalling.
I had not noticed, or given it a second thought until the BBC made a point of mentioning it.

That they got the chance to be appointed to cabinet is probably due in part to David Cameron's positive discrimination initiative. How Truss then decided who to appoint as her ministers is probably being saved for her autobiography.

Taking credit for the current diversity on offer, Mr Cameron said that after he was elected leader of the Conservative party in 2005 he resolved to change the overwhelming majority of white candidates in the political party.

After putting a freeze on selection of Conservative candidates, Mr Cameron said he drew up a “priority list” where half would be female and a large proportion from ethnic minorities.

Mr Cameron said that his push for “positive discrimination” was “hard to swallow” for those on the right of the party and it faced “forceful” opposition.

Nevertheless, he said that his “pitch” was for “positive action” to “accelerate meritocracy” and that over the years, an increasing number of women and people from ethnic minorities entered a space that had been traditionally unwelcoming.

The former leader said that by 2010, the Conservative party had almost four times the number of female MPs and that in 2015 there were six times as many MPs from ethnic minorities.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Paul

Well that depends on why they were appointed.
If they were appointed to deliberately be "non white", thats a problem.
If they were appointed because they are the best person for the job, and happen to be non white, then I dont see an issue.

Some sites making a point about it does however seem like typical woke signalling.
I had not noticed, or given it a second thought until the BBC made a point of mentioning it.

It's not about the appointments themselves. They're fine.

It's the gratuitous observation to which I object. It's unnecessary.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

It's not about the appointments themselves. They're fine..

A health minister that is 20 stone, loves her cigars and is anti-abortion? Cracking appointment.

What's happened to the Minister for Brexit Opportunities post? Seems to have been quietly forgotten about... Impossible task I guess.