The traditional CF voting intentions thread, week 5

Originally Posted by jfman

What’s depressing is people in the centre. Watch the country go to shit for 14 years. Want Labour to continue the journey to more shit in a competent manner. Like Tories without the entertainment.

Take this survey developed by political scientists to see how your views align with those of the political parties.

2024 United Kingdom General Election

https://votecompass.uk/

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://votecompass.uk/

Lol I'm in exactly the same position, great minds think alike

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A new poll has predicted that Reform UK will win 18 seats at the general election, the highest forecast for the party to date.

The MRP poll by Find Out Now and Electoral Calculus predicted that party leader Nigel Farage, chairman Richard Tice and Tory defector Lee Anderson will all win seats on July 4.

The poll gave Labour a majority on 450 seats and predicted that the Liberal Democrats would become the opposition with 71 seats, 11 ahead of the Conservatives on 60.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...tarmer-farage/

The major news here isn't the one about Reform getting seats , but the Lib Dems becoming the official opposition. Dont think it will happen, but it would be very funny. Think I'm beginning to like our electoral system after all

[jfman]

I get the Scotland variant.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by denphone

Opinion polling suggest Welsh Labour will still be the dominant party in Wales after the election.

https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies....-20-june-2024/

They are not the dominant party in the senedd, they can't do anything with out support. Looking like the others have had enough. Lib dem , plaid and tories say they won't support their budget . For the record I don't care who gets in. It will make not a scrap of difference to me

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics...ants-d7rl2dgt6

A Reform candidate said he would “slaughter” migrants arriving on small boats and “have their family taken out”.

Leslie Lilley, who is set to win almost 20 per cent of the vote in the Labour battleground seat of Southend East & Rochford, made the threats on the official Facebook account he uses to run his local campaign.

In a post in June 2020, Lilley reacted to the news of a small boat arriving in Dover saying: “I hope I’m near one of these *******s one day I won’t run away I’ll slaughter them then have their family taken out.”

The same month, Lilley, now 70, railed against “more **** entering the UK”, adding “I hope your family get Robbed, Beaten or attacked”.

He also suggested Border Force vessels should have razor wire to tear small boats carrying migrants across the Channel, and commented “gas” along with several laughing emojis under a video of Muslims praying

Lilley, who has also argued that the pandemic was a plan to “depopulate the world” and was “mass murder by government”, is one of the 41 Reform UK candidates who are “friends” on Facebook with Gary Raikes, the fascist leader.

Raikes, a former organiser for the British National Party, founded the New British Union in the image of Oswald Mosley’s British Union of Fascists, with activists who call themselves blackshirts.

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<blinks bemusedly at double-entendre headline>

Labour member held over Westminster honeytrap scandal

https://www.thetimes.com/article/907...bcbef55abef798

Met Police confirm the arrest is in connection with revelations that explicit messages and images were sent to MPs, parliamentary staff and journalists

A Labour Party member has been identified as the man arrested over the Westminster honeytrap scandal.

The man, who is in his mid-twenties, was detained by police on Wednesday morning in Islington, north London.

Labour has suspended the man’s membership of the party, but said it could not comment due to the police investigation.

Originally Posted by jfman

I get the Scotland variant.

I’m like the mirror universe jfman. Although I seem to be more of a Yoon than you are a Nat. I admit I’m surprised you’re not higher up that graph. Are you surprised you’re more Alba than SNP?

Here’s me, left of Labour and more unionist than the lot of them (except Reform, who are probably in the ‘close the shortbread senate’ brigade, which is several steps too far even for me).

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

If it’s that easy those people are already gone. Those left have other factors tying them to the UK. Such as their income depending on doing business in the UK, with skills or business that isn’t easily transferable.

14 years of Conservative government has given us the highest tax burden ever.

Maybe so, but is that so surprising after the Covid pandemic and the energy crisis? All that money provided to citizens under the furlough scheme and the energy price caps for example had to be paid back somehow.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by denphone

Only impossible miracles can save the Conservatives now from a massive trouncing at the ballot box.

That just occurred to you?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Remember when tens of thousand of rich people left when Blair was elected in ‘97?

No, me neither…

In fact, what actually happened to the comfortably off/wealthy…



https://journals.openedition.org/osb/1174

Keir Starmer is no Tony Blair! Think more Harold Wilson and James Callaghan.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics...ants-d7rl2dgt6



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<blinks bemusedly at double-entendre headline>



https://www.thetimes.com/article/907...bcbef55abef798

Better policies for a better Britain.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Maybe so, but is that so surprising after the Covid pandemic and the energy crisis? All that money provided to citizens under the furlough scheme and the energy price caps for example had to be paid back somehow.

Those have barely moved the dial on national debt as a percentage of GDP, OB. Failure to admit that a decade of flawed, crippling austerity acted as a noose around the neck of the country will only see future governments consigned to make the same mistakes.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Better policies for a better Britain.

Which one - the Fascist’s friend or holding a member?

[Pierre]

Well no real surprise, but I won’t be voting for them.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Chris

I’m like the mirror universe jfman. Although I seem to be more of a Yoon than you are a Nat. I admit I’m surprised you’re not higher up that graph. Are you surprised you’re more Alba than SNP?

Given the quite limited number of questions I’d be intrigued on the weighting that led to that.

However one question was about UKG overriding the will of the Scottish Parliament. I gave a middling answer because for me it does depend and I took it as a specific reference to the GRR Bill. Similarly, as it weighs trans ideology my answer was firmly closer to Alba.

That said Alba on paper, (which the website is likely to use) versus the cranks that actually stand for them, are two different beasts.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Pierre

That just occurred to you?

No as the die was cast for the government with Liz Truss's calamitous mini-budget.