08-09-2023, 09:37
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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My daughter studied French (for some strange reason) and took an Erasmus year in La Réunion. A brilliant scheme. If only the EU has been a FTA + Erasmus + Horizon and not subject to the creeping Brussels power grab, we might not have had good reason to leave the EU.
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We left Erasmus to pander to ultra Brexiters' insecurities about remaining in any EU scheme. We need to rejoin Erasmus so future Brits can enjoy the benefits like your daughter has.
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08-09-2023, 11:28
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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We left Erasmus to pander to ultra Brexiters' insecurities about remaining in any EU scheme. We need to rejoin Erasmus so future Brits can enjoy the benefits like your daughter has.
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I'm pleased that you phrased it that way. It lets me off the hook!
On the other hand, I'm not sure that at the time they would have allowed us to retain Erasmus.
Btw, on my daughter's benefits - no doubt that living in France enhances her subject education; but equal beneficiaries, dare I say, were the rest of the family who ventured out there for a holiday! Very good goat karis!
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08-09-2023, 14:05
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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I'm pleased that you phrased it that way. It lets me off the hook!
On the other hand, I'm not sure that at the time they would have allowed us to retain Erasmus.
Btw, on my daughter's benefits - no doubt that living in France enhances her subject education; but equal beneficiaries, dare I say, were the rest of the family who ventured out there for a holiday! Very good goat karis!
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It was a UK not an EU decision.
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The UK is no longer an EU Member State. It has also opted not to take part as an associated third country in the new Erasmus+ programme 2021-27. The UK will therefore not be taking part in the new programme as a Programme Country. The European Commission regrets this decision by the United Kingdom.
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https://erasmus-plus.ec.europa.eu/the-uk-and-erasmus
Great that you got in a visit, doubtless on purely welfare grounds. 
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08-09-2023, 17:00
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Any excuse to travel ….
On the Erasmus thing, I used the term ‘would’.
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17-09-2023, 21:19
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Sensible step forwards. Far easier for a Labour government to do this than a Conservative one as that would acknowledge the weaknesses in Johnson's Brexit deal.
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Keir Starmer pledges to seek major rewrite of Brexit deal
His government would put closer trading relationship with Brussels at heart of growth policy, Labour leader tells FT
Starmer told the Financial Times that he would put a closer trading relationship with Brussels and a new partnership with business at the heart of his efforts to bolster Britain’s economic growth.
Britain’s Trade and Cooperation Agreement with the EU, negotiated by former premier Boris Johnson, is due for review in 2025 and Starmer said he saw this as an “important” moment to reset relations.
“Almost everyone recognises the deal Johnson struck is not a good deal — it’s far too thin,” he said in an interview. “As we go into 2025 we will attempt to get a much better deal for the UK.”
Starmer has already said he wants to improve the Brexit deal by striking a veterinary agreement with the EU — reducing onerous border checks on animals and food — along with an agreement on the recognition of professional qualifications.
But Starmer said: “We have to make it work. That’s not a question of going back in. But I refuse to accept that we can’t make it work. I think about those future generations when I say that...
“I say that as a dad. I’ve got a 15-year-old boy and a 12-year-old girl. I’m not going to let them grow up in a world where all I’ve got to say to them about their future is, it’s going to be worse than it might otherwise have been. I’ve got an utter determination to make this work.”
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https://www.ft.com/content/6bdc4e88-...d-c70bc358e027
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17-09-2023, 22:29
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Unfortunately, it's like his immigration plan. The EU won't be interested in "a better deal for the UK". Why would they be?
On the immigration thing, what does that fool not understand? The immigrants will keep coming once distribution quotas are announced. Fortunately the likes of Austria, Poland & Hungary understand this so an EU wide agreement won't happen. (Beware - up tpo 750 million migrants will be coming).
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17-09-2023, 23:54
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Re: Britain outside the EU
Just like 75 million Turks were coming?
Are you seriously stating that up to two-thirds of the population of Africa will be coming to Europe?
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18-09-2023, 06:02
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Most people will understand my point. The proof lies in whats’s been going on and growing.
What have Turks got to do with this?
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18-09-2023, 07:19
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Brexit has happened and this country will not be rejoining the EU but at last we have someone who will try to improve the utterly crap deal that Boris Johnson signed up for.
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18-09-2023, 08:24
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Most people will understand my point. The proof lies in whats’s been going on and growing.
What have Turks got to do with this?
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Your point appears to be using a figure that isn’t going to happen to rabble-rouse - if not, what is your point?*
Farage’s similar fear-mongering…
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/66...sa-free-travel
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EU loophole could see 77 MILLION Turks head to Britain, warn Farage and Johnson
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* awaits standard answer of "everyone knows, so I’m not going to explain it
---------- Post added at 08:24 ---------- Previous post was at 08:23 ----------
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Brexit has happened and this country will not be rejoining the EU but at last we have someone who will try to improve the utterly crap deal that Boris Johnson signed up for.
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"Oven ready"…
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18-09-2023, 08:47
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Starmer is deluded and a fool. He is obsessed with the older, red wall, voters when he does not need to be. He needs to focus on the newer voters who are fast replacing the older, right of centre ones.
He has no imagination, more's the pity. He should nuance the debate towards a transition to a EFTA style of arrangement to revive the economy together with a re-invention of the tax regime to channel monies back to the majority.
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18-09-2023, 09:29
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Ian makes a valid point. An EFTA arrangement worked well before and would work reasonably well going forward.
On Hugh’s ridiculous point about the Turks, he’s quoting Farage and linking that to me.
Who doesn’t think that Africans will increasingly seek to migrate to Europe?
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18-09-2023, 09:35
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Starmer is deluded and a fool. He is obsessed with the older, red wall, voters when he does not need to be. He needs to focus on the newer voters who are fast replacing the older, right of centre ones.
He has no imagination, more's the pity. He should nuance the debate towards a transition to a EFTA style of arrangement to revive the economy together with a re-invention of the tax regime to channel monies back to the majority.
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I think he knows what he's doing and I'm sure he'll be bolder once in power. I seem to remember that he made a number of promises as Labour leader candidate that went by the wayside once elected. Cynical, I know!
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18-09-2023, 09:42
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Ian makes a valid point. An EFTA arrangement worked well before and would work reasonably well going forward.
On Hugh’s ridiculous point about the Turks, he’s quoting Farage and linking that to me.
Who doesn’t think that Africans will increasingly seek to migrate to Europe?
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you both used very high figures that aren’t going to happen - that’s the link…
I don’t think that up to 750 million Africans are going to migrate to Europe - do you?
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18-09-2023, 11:15
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Sound like Liebour want to sneak us back into the EU should they win the next election.
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