Britain outside the EU

Pointing out the red tops are inflaming emotions by putting forward a false narrative is not obfuscation, it’s pointing out actuality.

The things the Mail and Express printed were not real, but a manufactured story made up of different pictures put together.

[Carth]

tsk tsk . . sodding media eh, fabricating photos to make us think migrants are rushing out to sea in flimsy dinghies



. . thank the lord we're not fooled

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Pierre

It’s a difficult one, I have sympathy with the French, they’re under no obligation to prevent migrants leaving France.

But then there are photos of French police watching migrants leave and board boats to their deaths.

So no obligation, but a responsibility……….

They are under an obligation, actually. We pay them mega bucks to stop this and they are not very effective in preventing migrants making the crossing.

[papa smurf]

Migrants: French police watch on as migrants cross Channel
Dozens of migrants set out from France in broad daylight to cross the Channel. French police stood and watched as they set out in an inflatable boat and vanished over the horizon.

https://news.sky.com/video/migrants-...annel-12429301

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

They are under an obligation, actually. We pay them mega bucks to stop this and they are not very effective in preventing migrants making the crossing.

Are there performance KPIs linked to the “mega bucks”?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Pointing out the red tops are inflaming emotions by putting forward a false narrative is not obfuscation, it’s pointing out actuality.

The things the Mail and Express printed were not real, but a manufactured story made up of different pictures put together.

Yeah, but it's not false or manufactured story though is it? is it your position that the French police are not letting migrants set off in boats? There are plenty of other photos (one in the previous post) that show the French police watching migrants set off.

The question is, which you have dodged twice, do the French have a at least a moral, if not legal (not sure about that) duty to prevent them?

[Sephiroth]

The French are as perfidious as the Irish (governments, that is). The French don't want the migrants and they grit their teeth every time they prevent a crossing. They blame the UK for having a pull factor; we blame the EU for not controlling its borders.

Once the migrants are in the UK, with no papers, we can't currently deport them to anywhere. Are the French going to agree to them unsuccessful asylum seekers being rteurned to France? Not in my lifetime, I suspect.

[mrmistoffelees]

One thing i don't understand (and perhaps someone with more knowledge than I can explain) is that, according to the news, the UK only allows requests for asylum to be made when the requestor is actually in the UK.

if that's correct why would not you not allow people to claim from their 'home country' ? would that not decrease the amount of travel?

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

One thing i don't understand (and perhaps someone with more knowledge than I can explain) is that, according to the news, the UK only allows requests for asylum to be made when the requestor is actually in the UK.

if that's correct why would not you not allow people to claim from their 'home country' ? would that not decrease the amount of travel?

Yes, it's pretty much you have to do it in the UK to claim UK asylum.

https://www.gov.uk/claim-asylum

You must apply for asylum if you want to stay in the UK as a refugee.

To be eligible you must have left your country and be unable to go back because you fear persecution.
....
You should apply when you arrive in the UK or as soon as you think it would be unsafe for you to return to your own country. Your application is more likely to be denied if you wait.

https://www.gov.uk/claim-asylum/screening

Register your asylum claim
You register your asylum claim at a ‘screening’. This is a meeting with an immigration officer where you tell them about your case.

You’ll have your screening at the UK border if you claim asylum as soon as you arrive. You can also be screened once you’re in the UK if you become eligible for asylum.

[Sephiroth]

It makes no sense to apply for asylum in the UK when you're in another safe country. That's why France is in the wrong to tacitly allow the migrants to leave France for the UK. Perfidious or what?

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

It makes no sense to apply for asylum in the UK when you're in another safe country. That's why France is in the wrong to tacitly allow the migrants to leave France for the UK. Perfidious or what?

As a refugee, you would want to claim asylum in a country that you could feel safe in, rather than a country that is 'safe'.

For instance, refugees that don't speak French or who have any understanding of French culture may not feel safe there as they would be cut off from interacting with others.

Also - https://fullfact.org/immigration/ref...-safe-country/

Incorrect. The UN Refugee Convention does not make this requirement of refugees, and UK case law supports this interpretation. Refugees can legitimately make a claim for asylum in the UK after passing through other “safe” countries.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

As a refugee, you would want to claim asylum in a country that you could feel safe in, rather than a country that is 'safe'.

For instance, refugees that don't speak French or who have any understanding of French culture may not feel safe there as they would be cut off from interacting with others.

Also - https://fullfact.org/immigration/ref...-safe-country/

Then we are bardzo stuffed.

[Carth]

refugees that don't speak French or who have any understanding of French culture may not feel safe there as they would be cut off from interacting with others.

. . unlike the many here who, after years, still only speak a little English and live in their own little (non diverse) communities

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Yeah, but it's not false or manufactured story though is it? is it your position that the French police are not letting migrants set off in boats? There are plenty of other photos (one in the previous post) that show the French police watching migrants set off.

The question is, which you have dodged twice, do the French have a at least a moral, if not legal (not sure about that) duty to prevent them?

Makes you wonder why they manufactured a picture when the stories real and there's other real pictures for them to use doesn't it

[Carth]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Makes you wonder why they manufactured a picture when the stories real and there's other real pictures for them to use doesn't it

Maybe the 'real' pictures are copyrighted, and possibly can't yet be published as they are classed as 'evidence' in an ongoing legal case against the French police