13-11-2021, 19:35
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Re: Coronavirus
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competitors throwing the race are cheating the rest
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13-11-2021, 19:36
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Re: Coronavirus
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Yeah but them stats are all down to those who have refused the jab. As a country it has been offered almost everyone but we live in a free country
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The figures do not back up your assertion
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13-11-2021, 19:37
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Re: Coronavirus
Misleading figures as usual.
England has 80% with a 2nd dose, but that is for over 12 years old. How many of the figures for other countries are giving rates for over 12s only, but the UK is judged including 12 and under.
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If you have large chunks of the population that are determined to refuse, there is little anybody can do.
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Analysis of NHS records by the OpenSAFELY group - a collaboration between Oxford University and the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine - shows that black people were the least likely to have received a vaccine.
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If only 72% of a group are prepared to get vaccinated, higher overall figures will always be unachievable.
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While many European countries are seeing steep rises in coronavirus cases and preparing to step up Covid restrictions, the UK has been going in the other direction.
Experts say differences in levels of immunity and people's behaviour are the likely explanations.
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As I've had to point out before, being fully vaccinated doesn't prevent you from testing positive for covid. Same as with EVERY other vaccination and it's associated disease. There is no "invisible force field" preventing you from getting any virus. It has to get into the bloodstream in order for any accelerated immune response as a result of the vaccine to take place.
Last edited by nomadking; 13-11-2021 at 19:42.
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13-11-2021, 19:38
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Re: Coronavirus
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When did it finish?
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I did not say it has.
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13-11-2021, 19:40
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Re: Coronavirus
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The figures do not back up your assertion
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it is offered to everyone over 12 so how do you work that out
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13-11-2021, 19:40
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Re: Coronavirus
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Misleading figures as usual.
England has 80% with a 2nd dose, but that is for over 12 years old. How many of the figures for other countries are giving rates for over 12s only, but the UK is judged including 12 and under.
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If you have large chunks of the population that are determined to refuse, there is little anybody can do.
If only 72% of a group are prepared to get vaccinated, higher overall figures will always be unachievable.
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Ah, NomadStats have been deployed I don't think I will venture down that rabbit hole
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13-11-2021, 19:42
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Re: Coronavirus
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I did not say it has.
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Ah, I see, so will you publish the final scores on the doors when it has finished even if the UK is at the top of the list, I kinda doubt that somehow..
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13-11-2021, 19:53
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Re: Coronavirus
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the vaccination program from the start was ahead of the rest of the EU and maybe still is. Jab rejection does not mean the program has failed it just means we have a lot of selfish people in this country
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Selfish?
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13-11-2021, 19:54
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Re: Coronavirus
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Yeah but them stats are all down to those who have refused the jab. As a country it has been offered almost everyone but we live in a free country
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All the countries with higher vax stats than us are free countries - it’s not compulsory in those countries either…
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13-11-2021, 19:55
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Re: Coronavirus
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Ah, NomadStats have been deployed I don't think I will venture down that rabbit hole
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The Spanish figures only include those that can be vaccinated. The EU hasn't authorised vaccination for under 12s.
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Analysis of NHS records by the OpenSAFELY group - a collaboration between Oxford University and the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine - shows that black people were the least likely to have received a vaccine.
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Only things like vaccine passports and lockdowns for unvaccinated, stand a chance of changing that. Then people would be whining about that.
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13-11-2021, 19:57
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Hugh
All the countries with higher vax stats than us are free countries - it’s not compulsory in those countries either…
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did I say any different? no
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yep
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13-11-2021, 20:40
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Re: Coronavirus
The UK is handing out 3rd booster jabs. Therefore those still unvaccinated will be by their own choice.
If a country eg Spain, is increasing the %age fully vaccinated(from 70% a matter of weeks ago), then there must be a proportion of the population that are willing to be vaccinated, but hadn't. That is a sign of "failure", although not a big one.
The true measure is of the total number of people who are ready, willing, and able to be vaccinated. That is all any government can control.
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13-11-2021, 20:49
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Re: Coronavirus
So, a matter of weeks ago, Spain were ahead of where we are now, and now Spain has increased the numbers vaccinated significantly from a few weeks ago, and that is a sign of "failure"?
That’s an interesting way of looking at things…
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13-11-2021, 21:22
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Re: Coronavirus
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So, a matter of weeks ago, Spain were ahead of where we are now, and now Spain has increased the numbers vaccinated significantly from a few weeks ago, and that is a sign of "failure"?
That’s an interesting way of looking at things…
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There was a sizeable chunk of the Spanish population that were ready, willing, and able to be vaccinated, but hadn't. Any government can't be held responsible for those that are refusing. Any measure of government success or failure should exclude those who are refusing.
The UK has enough capacity to dish out 3rd booster jabs. Spain was still tackling their 2nd.
In the UK, if only 72% of a certain group, or as low as 60% in London, are prepared to be vaccinated, then overall figures will always reflect that. If in Spain(and other countries) a higher %age are prepared to be vaccinated, then their figures will reflect that.
If 80% of people in England(12 and over) are fully vaccinated, where does the 67% figure actually come from? The 67% figure can only be a result of not applying the same comparison to other countries(eg Spain).
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13-11-2021, 21:36
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Re: Coronavirus
I'm also not sure that the vaccination of kids is happening particularly quickly. Though they can now use the NHS site like anyone else, this has only recently been the case, and I think that chart is percentage of the population, not the eligible population. Also, we're only offering 12-15 yr olds a single dose, so do they then count as fully vaccinated? A lot that doesn't say.
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