08-05-2021, 10:18
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
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Must be nice to live in a town where the council does change hands from time to time. It must keep local politicians on their toes. Never happened in Gosport since it’s inception as a political ward.
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And Labour hold Wakefield has just come up on the ticker screen on Sky news. The most surprising results are the Conservative gain in the Crofton, Ryhill & Walton ward (mining villages back in the day) and the Liberal Democrat gain in the Knottingley ward (glass manufacturing and the last deep coal mine in the UK).
Was just chatting to the chap next door while getting the bin in and he said the problem Labour have got is Keir is too posh and like Tony Blair is "fake Labour". So there you have it, 100% of the people I surveyed feel Keir is too posh to lead Labour .
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08-05-2021, 10:26
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
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Must be nice to live in a town where the council does change hands from time to time. It must keep local politicians on their toes. Never happened in Gosport since it’s inception as a political ward.
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I am hoping we have a change here in Warrington, The Labour council are on course to hit 1.3 million in the red. Bankruptcy looms.
They have refused to sign off the books for the last 3 years which would then give the public an idea as to why and where the debt is. However they are quoting commercial confidentiality because of some of their investments in commercial companies.
Same old Labour spend spend spend and then hope someone else fixes there problem
https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk...watering-debt/
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08-05-2021, 10:45
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
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I am hoping we have a change here in Warrington, The Labour council are on course to hit 1.3 million in the red. Bankruptcy looms.
They have refused to sign off the books for the last 3 years which would then give the public an idea as to why and where the debt is. However they are quoting commercial confidentiality because of some of their investments in commercial companies.
Same old Labour spend spend spend and then hope someone else fixes there problem
https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk...watering-debt/
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That sentiment reinforces what someone posted on Twitter yesterday…
https://twitter.com/francesweetman/s...733701120?s=21
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08-05-2021, 11:07
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
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There’s only person (or party) responsible the reputation they get and managing it. That’s themselves.
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08-05-2021, 11:15
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
I'm sure our billionaire owned media have nothing to do with it.
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08-05-2021, 14:00
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
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There’s only person (or party) responsible the reputation they get and managing it. That’s themselves.
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Until the 2008 Financial Crash, Labour had kept the National Debt as a % of GDP lower than the last three years of the previous Conservative Government.
Not a big fan of Blair/Brown, but facts are facts…
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08-05-2021, 16:03
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
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Until the 2008 Financial Crash, Labour had kept the National Debt as a % of GDP lower than the last three years of the previous Conservative Government.
Not a big fan of Blair/Brown, but facts are facts…
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I think the Blair years were good, I voted for him both times. It was his sycophantic boot licking of GWB boots that defined his legacy.
Brown was the PM nobody asked for or wanted, and was the first example in my memory of the Government really taking the piss with the electorate. We’ll appoint a PM instead of you electing him, and the electorate showed what they thought of that.
The UK electorate always get it right.
In regards to Labours reputation, it was well earned before B&B, the fact the crash happened on their watch, even if not totally their fault, it happened on their watch and that just compounded the narrative.
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08-05-2021, 21:06
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
Kier charmer takes full responsibility for election disaster and sacks Angela Rayner.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...lection-latest
Left-wing writer Owen Jones commented: “Keir Starmer and his team are trying to scapegoat Angela Rayner for Labour’s disaster.
“Trying to pin the blame on a working class women for their lack of vision or strategy, their lack of answers to the country’s problems. The absolute pits.”
He later added: “Keir Starmer is proving to be the worst of all worlds – unprincipled and unelectable.
“It’s time for Labour MPs to have a very long think.”
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09-05-2021, 00:27
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
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I think the Blair years were good, I voted for him both times. It was his sycophantic boot licking of GWB boots that defined his legacy.
Brown was the PM nobody asked for or wanted, and was the first example in my memory of the Government really taking the piss with the electorate. We’ll appoint a PM instead of you electing him, and the electorate showed what they thought of that.
The UK electorate always get it right.
In regards to Labours reputation, it was well earned before B&B, the fact the crash happened on their watch, even if not totally their fault, it happened on their watch and that just compounded the narrative.
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Agree with you on lot of your points, but it’s relevant that in the last 50 years, the Conservatives have been in power 35 of those, and for 10 of the 15 years years Labour were in power, Labour were fiscally reasonably sound - so the narrative, consistently repeated, only covers 10% of the last 50 years…
If you look at the debt over the last 50 years, Conservative Governments have racked up a lot more of it than Labour - if you want to hold Labour responsible for the debt accrued for the last two years of their reign in the last 50 years, you also have to hold Conservatives responsible for the current debt, as "it happened on their watch"…
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09-05-2021, 07:56
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
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if you want to hold Labour responsible for the debt accrued for the last two years of their reign in the last 50 years, you also have to hold Conservatives responsible for the current debt, as "it happened on their watch"…
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I do/ will hold the Tories accountable for the debt they are accumulating during this pandemic and it will be up them to grow the economy to balance out the debt mountain they have made. This will be the test.
The reason why Labour were lambasted was the debt they had accumulated just before a crash, with the economy shrinking. No crash, no problem. It was just unfortunate for them they were left holding the baby when the music stopped.
The Tories have at least another 3 years, and judging by how the voting went, another 8 years most likely, in power to grow the economy. If after then we have another major recession and we have not got the spending/ debt under control, the Tories would not have their reputation to rely on.
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09-05-2021, 08:27
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
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I do/ will hold the Tories accountable for the debt they are accumulating during this pandemic and it will be up them to grow the economy to balance out the debt mountain they have made. This will be the test.
The reason why Labour were lambasted was the debt they had accumulated just before a crash, with the economy shrinking. No crash, no problem. It was just unfortunate for them they were left holding the baby when the music stopped.
The Tories have at least another 3 years, and judging by how the voting went, another 8 years most likely, in power to grow the economy. If after then we have another major recession and we have not got the spending/ debt under control, the Tories would not have their reputation to rely on.
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I don't believe in their reputation for managing the economy any more than I believe in labour's ineptitude with it, it ticks along without any real input from them aside from some ideological posturing on the peripheries
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09-05-2021, 08:54
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
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Agree with you on lot of your points, but it’s relevant that in the last 50 years, the Conservatives have been in power 35 of those, and for 10 of the 15 years years Labour were in power, Labour were fiscally reasonably sound - so the narrative, consistently repeated, only covers 10% of the last 50 years…
If you look at the debt over the last 50 years, Conservative Governments have racked up a lot more of it than Labour - if you want to hold Labour responsible for the debt accrued for the last two years of their reign in the last 50 years, you also have to hold Conservatives responsible for the current debt, as "it happened on their watch"…
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What a ridiculous assertion, Hugh. Labour was not fiscally sound at all, had Corbyn come to power, UK would be a utopian failure on epic proportions, a socialist woke and failing leftist Country.
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09-05-2021, 09:50
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
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What a ridiculous assertion, Hugh. Labour was not fiscally sound at all, had Corbyn come to power, UK would be a utopian failure on epic proportions, a socialist woke and failing leftist Country.
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A bit like Manchester then?
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09-05-2021, 10:42
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Re: Sir Keir’s Kerfuffle
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Should that read Labour's Kerfuffle?
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or even Liebour?
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09-05-2021, 10:49
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or even Liebour?
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Given the track record of our Prime Minister on honesty, that title may have been taken.
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