18-08-2019, 13:04
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Re: Mod tests.
The PSBs would just fill the space with +1s/other channels of negligible value for a platform and an audience in terminal decline anyway.
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18-08-2019, 15:52
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Re: Mod tests.
They wouldn't be able to. The capacity for Freeview (the most popular platform in the UK) is gradually being reduced. Any space saved would be used to offset this and for the channels that can afford it, to keep those displaced by the closure of other muxes.
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18-08-2019, 16:20
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Re: Mod tests.
It’s only the “most popular” platform because it’s the default. The vast majority of people consume television in other ways and this will continue to rise. The need to maintain freeview at the current level diminishes.
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18-08-2019, 19:30
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Re: Mod tests.
I believe that Freeview is the only platform that's currently growing. Many of those who have pay TV use it in secondary rooms such as a bedroom or the dining room.
The fact that it's the default is neither here nor there.
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18-08-2019, 22:18
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Re: Mod tests.
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter
I believe that Freeview is the only platform that's currently growing. Many of those who have pay TV use it in secondary rooms such as a bedroom or the dining room.
The fact that it's the default is neither here nor there.
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You can hardly say “it’s neither here nor there” - every home built is by default a new freeview home. While I’m at risk of sounding like Old Boy here the streamers (Amazon and Netflix) are growing rapidly. Now TV is thought to be growing but Sky don’t split the figures.
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18-08-2019, 22:45
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Re: Mod tests.
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You can hardly say “it’s neither here nor there” - every home built is by default a new freeview home. While I’m at risk of sounding like Old Boy here the streamers (Amazon and Netflix) are growing rapidly. Now TV is thought to be growing but Sky don’t split the figures.
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Some homes cannot get Freeview (which is the primary reason why Freesat exists); of those that can, the number of DTT only households is growing and earlier this year stood at 11.63 million households. There will be many more Freeview sets in use in secondary rooms where the householder has pay TV.
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19-08-2019, 08:17
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Re: Mod tests.
That BARB stat you are quoting doesn't reference streaming. So homes with Netflix or Prime (or both) but no cable, satellite or IPTV service count towards the DTT only total.
Secondary TVs yes, it'll get used but there's no demand to improve the system on this basis with the increasing number of web connected TVs.
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19-08-2019, 09:14
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Re: Mod tests.
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Originally Posted by jfman
That BARB stat you are quoting doesn't reference streaming. So homes with Netflix or Prime (or both) but no cable, satellite or IPTV service count towards the DTT only total.
Secondary TVs yes, it'll get used but there's no demand to improve the system on this basis with the increasing number of web connected TVs.
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I'm surprised they are bundled in with DTT.
I do wonder whether Freeview Play will be modified to add the equivalent of the free part of TVPlayer in the future. To provide the full versions of the channels that only have limited time slots, or provide the HD versions, or simply the channels they don't get as they are in a limited coverage area e.g. a Relay transmitter area.
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19-08-2019, 10:29
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Re: Mod tests.
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I'm surprised they are bundled in with DTT.
I do wonder whether Freeview Play will be modified to add the equivalent of the free part of TVPlayer in the future. To provide the full versions of the channels that only have limited time slots, or provide the HD versions, or simply the channels they don't get as they are in a limited coverage area e.g. a Relay transmitter area.
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Streaming services aren't considered platforms in the most recent stats I've seen but I'm sure that will change because the BARB are ultimately more interested in actual consumption.
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20-08-2019, 11:13
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Re: Mod tests.
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I'm surprised they are bundled in with DTT.
I do wonder whether Freeview Play will be modified to add the equivalent of the free part of TVPlayer in the future. To provide the full versions of the channels that only have limited time slots, or provide the HD versions, or simply the channels they don't get as they are in a limited coverage area e.g. a Relay transmitter area.
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I don't think that TV Player is doing very well at the moment. Some channels have been removed and some previously free channels have now been moved into the paid premium version.
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20-08-2019, 12:19
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Re: Mod tests.
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I don't think that TV Player is doing very well at the moment. Some channels have been removed and some previously free channels have now been moved into the paid premium version.
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I know. I'm just wondering if an official version run as part of the Freeview Platform itself, like Play is, might be an idea. It would only carry free services that are already available on the platform, and would just fill in gaps for those that don't get the full selection in their DTT transmitter area. Many places that have poor Freeview selection have good broadband.
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20-08-2019, 12:51
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Re: Mod tests.
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I know. I'm just wondering if an official version run as part of the Freeview Platform itself, like Play is, might be an idea. It would only carry free services that are already available on the platform, and would just fill in gaps for those that don't get the full selection in their DTT transmitter area. Many places that have poor Freeview selection have good broadband.
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It would be a good idea.
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20-08-2019, 13:38
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Re: Mod tests.
I suppose we may not be typical, but Freeview is the one thing we dont have (I dont even have a suitable aerial).
Sky is our main system, we also have Now TV, one daughter has Freesat in her bedroom, the other has Virgin Media.
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20-08-2019, 19:43
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Re: Mod tests.
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Originally Posted by Paul M
I suppose we may not be typical, but Freeview is the one thing we dont have (I dont even have a suitable aerial).
Sky is our main system, we also have Now TV, one daughter has Freesat in her bedroom, the other has Virgin Media.
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Since Digital Switchover, the digital signals have been greatly increased. There are lots of people who can now receive Freeview with a set top aerial!
A family member dumped Virgin Media because of the latest price increase (she originally got cable because the analogue signal was so appalling), but found that she could get all the Freeview channels without a rooftop aerial and has Now TV to top it up.
It might be worth checking this out if you ever need/want Freeview.
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23-08-2019, 18:02
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Re: Mod tests.
I'm assuming that these tests were successful, as i've been told that Freesports HD is now using this standard and that S4C HD is in the process of changing over.
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