The traditional CF voting intentions thread, week 6

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Ooops….

You said the quiet bit out loud.

Strange how you focused on that point, and not

"The five pages identified by ABC Investigations as being part of a coordinated network appear to have little in common"

"ABC's analysis of the five pages found that while they claim to be based in the UK, most of the administrators for each page are based in Nigeria"

"The Nigerian connection is significant because previous online Russian propaganda networks were found to have been operating from Africa."

Probably just a automatic knee-jerk response on your behalf* when anyone points that that perhaps, just perhaps, Russia/Putin may not have our best interests at heart…

*or are you on a bonus scheme, with escalating payments, the more you try to whatabout any negative reporting about the Greater Rus?

Tbh, I didn't give much weight to the Nigeria bit for the same reason Chat GPT uses the word 'delve' all the time. If anyone wants to peddle English language content, on any subject matter, the cheapest and easiest way to do it is to pay some guy in the global south to do it for you. Farage has always had shady backers, capitalists without Britain's best interests at heart who have done more damage to this country than Russia ever have.

The Ukraine war is a soft underbelly for stirring up anti-refugee and anti-immigrant sentiment so it's unsurprising that the far right would use it given the economic cost of the war. In the absence of a clear direction, or that victory is achievable, or a plan for return of refugees, there's no real reason for the average person who isn't that bothered about all the other bad things that happen in the world outside of their control to care more about Ukraine (or Ukrainians) than any of the others. It's just land between Poland and Russia the same way Gaza is land between Israel and the Med. Away over there full of other people.

Xenophobia is the tried and tested dog whistle of English politics. A man as astute as Farage doesn't need the Kremlin to tell him that. He's been blowing it for over twenty years.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm sure it's just an unfortunate coincidence that Farage supported Putin's position - that the invasion of Ukraine was due to Nato and the EU expanding eastwards - and some of these fake Facebook sites supporting Reform UK.

Many people, rightly or wrongly, have taken that position.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Many people, rightly or wrongly, have taken that position.

The point is, most people are not sufficiently expert in international affairs to arrive at a meaningful position on such things. Unless we’re content to speak out of blind ignorance, our speech is informed by the sources we choose to consume. So the fact that many people have taken Farage’s position doesn’t dilute the significance of that fact. Especially not in this social media age.

[Mr K]

Some nutter on the telly just claimed we're better off than in 2010. He also reckons he'll still be PM on Friday. This is a damning indictment on the state of our mental health services...

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Chris

The point is, most people are not sufficiently expert in international affairs to arrive at a meaningful position on such things. Unless we’re content to speak out of blind ignorance, our speech is informed by the sources we choose to consume. So the fact that many people have taken Farage’s position doesn’t dilute the significance of that fact. Especially not in this social media age.

And yet the most important issue in the UK in the area of international affairs was decided by plebiscite.

I find the idea that the Russians wouldn’t seek to influence that, with a clear preferred outcome, yet are sitting there rooting for Farage to get what, ten(?) seats, preposterous.

This is Tories crying into their beer, wine, sherry etc. because they danced with the devil by pandering to the far right and it’s bit them in the arse.

If there’s genuine concern about Russia and Farage then serious questions have to be asked why the media, and in particular our state broadcaster, have given him a platform completely disproportionate to his popularity over the last decade and more.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Some nutter on the telly just claimed we're better off than in 2010. He also reckons he'll still be PM on Friday. This is a damning indictment on the state of our mental health services...

Gaslighting of the highest order.

[Mr K]

Murdochs seen the light and the Sunday Times are now backing Labour, The Sun soon to follow no doubt.
He hates to back a loser.

Originally Posted by jfman

And yet the most important issue in the UK in the area of international affairs was decided by plebiscite.

I find the idea that the Russians wouldn’t seek to influence that, with a clear preferred outcome, yet are sitting there rooting for Farage to get what, ten(?) seats, preposterous.

This is Tories crying into their beer, wine, sherry etc. because they danced with the devil by pandering to the far right and it’s bit them in the arse.

If there’s genuine concern about Russia and Farage then serious questions have to be asked why the media, and in particular our state broadcaster, have given him a platform completely disproportionate to his popularity over the last decade and more.

Why not both?

It's about disruption...

[jfman]

If it’s both then it’s fundamentally dishonest of the Conservative Party that gave us the Lord Lebedev to deploy the Russian bogeyman when it suits it while ignoring the greatest influence Russia would have deployed over UK politics in the last decade was/is it’s influence over the Conservative Party.

[Mr K]

As a bit of fun, I've put CFs voting intentions into the Electoral Calculus website. A majority of 436 of for Labour, 1 seat for the Tories, and the Lib Dems are the official opposition But are ageing cable nerds a representative sample?

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Originally Posted by jfman

If it’s both then it’s fundamentally dishonest of the Conservative Party that gave us the Lord Lebedev to deploy the Russian bogeyman when it suits it while ignoring the greatest influence Russia would have deployed over UK politics in the last decade was/is it’s influence over the Conservative Party.

Totally agree…

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/21/89344...lawmakers-find

The Parliament's Intelligence and Security Committee said it can't determine whether the Kremlin tried to influence the 2016 Brexit referendum, because the British government hasn't even tried to find out.

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by Mr K

As a bit of fun, I've put CFs voting intentions into the Electoral Calculus website. A majority of 436 of for Labour, 1 seat for the Tories, and the Lib Dems are the official opposition But are ageing cable nerds a representative sample?

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Can but hope, it's been a bellwether forum in the past . Surprised the tv pundits don't refer to CF attitudes in all their data mining.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

If it’s both then it’s fundamentally dishonest of the Conservative Party that gave us the Lord Lebedev to deploy the Russian bogeyman when it suits it while ignoring the greatest influence Russia would have deployed over UK politics in the last decade was/is it’s influence over the Conservative Party.

Colour me unsurprised on this hypocrisy.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Mr K

As a bit of fun, I've put CFs voting intentions into the Electoral Calculus website. A majority of 436 of for Labour, 1 seat for the Tories, and the Lib Dems are the official opposition But are ageing cable nerds a representative sample?

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Bit less of the ageing if you would be so kind !