UK Timeline : Doctor Who

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Dude111

I would love to see the first Doctor who again!!

That guy did the best I think at being the Doctor!!

Well many old stories are on DVD and online services now. My personal favourite is Slyvester McCoy who was the 7th doctor and last in the original era. Met him earlier this year and is a really nice guy.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Dude111

I would love to see the first Doctor who again!!

That guy did the best I think at being the Doctor!!

William Hurndall played him the “Five Doctors” but he died in ‘84.

In the original run, Jon Pertwee was my favourite doctor, along with Sarah Jane Smith & Jo Grant as companions. I also liked Sylvestor McCoy with Ace as companion, Tom Baker was also good, but I preferred Pertwee. In the revival, David Tennant & Rose were my favourites, with Matt Smith and Amy Pond close second favourites. I also liked Clara, and while I very much disliked Whittaker, I did like Graham as a companion.

[Dude111]

Ya I gotta find me some original episodes from the 60s! (Or 70s when it first came on)

[Stephen]

Lucky for us in the UK they have all old episodes available to stream on BBC iplayer and many have been released on DVD over the past 20+ years.

Even the many of the lost stories have managed to find new life thanks to audio recordings, which they created animations for so people could see them again.

[1701-e]

Latest episode is brilliant. 73 yards. Best of the season so far

Finally got around to watching the first two episodes.

Didn't like the first one.

The second one was much better. Liked it. Liked the villain, liked the way 'they' broke the 4th wall and started the Doctor Who theme themselves.

What I don't understand is why have The Beatles there? They did nothing with them. Then even have a song and dance routine and I guess they're foreshadowing 'the twist' at the end but so odd in an episode with The Beatles and a 60s-inspired dance routine that they don't use a Beatles song! Too expensive maybe? Twist and Shout is right there.....

The chord played on the piano in the hallway by John and Paul, that banished Maestro, is the one at the end of the crescendo in A Day in the Life. About 4m 20s in, if you can find it on Spotify or wherever. So real, actual Beatles music literally did banish the villain. You’d probably have to be proper fan to notice though. . The real world explanation for the lack of Beatles music is that it’s too expensive to use, which RTD was well aware of when he started. The episode answers the question ‘how do you do the Beatles without doing the Beatles.’

Oh, and Maestro is played by a bloke. A dress and make up doesn’t make someone a woman, or a plurality, or a whatever …

Originally Posted by Chris

The chord played on the piano in the hallway by John and Paul, that banished Maestro, is the one at the end of the crescendo in A Day in the Life. About 4m 20s in, if you can find it on Spotify or wherever. So real, actual Beatles music literally did banish the villain.

Ah I really like A Day in the Life and The Beatles. I am the sort of person who watched that entire Beatles documentary on Disney+. I guess I just don't have a musical ear and missed it.

The real world explanation for the lack of Beatles music is that it’s too expensive to use, which RTD was well aware of when he started. The episode answers the question ‘how do you do the Beatles without doing the Beatles.’

Is this because of the Disney+ deal and the general worldwide rights issue?

I thought the BBC had a blanket deal with record labels to use music as they wanted.

You might be thinking about the PRS system that pays rights owners when a track is played on the radio? That’s not quite the same as incorporating it in a creative work like Doctor Who.

Originally Posted by Chris

You might be thinking about the PRS system that pays rights owners when a track is played on the radio? That’s not quite the same as incorporating it in a creative work like Doctor Who.

I remember watching an episode of Charlie Brooker's Screenwipe where they said the BBC had a blanket deal for the UK.

A quick Google suggests it's this: https://www.bbc.com/academy-guides/m...re-the-issues/

A blanket agreement is a standard music rights licence which the BBC and other broadcasters have in place with PPL and PRS for Music (incorporating MCPS). The deal allows certain uses of music.

It looks like it might not include every song and they have to record usage so that royalties are paid by PRS. The BBC paying a flat fee for the entire catalogue.

But I know Top Gear had such songs removed from international broadcasts.

I am not sure if The Beatles are included in this but given Doctor Who is now made for a international audience in mind I doubt they use this system.

[Stephen]

There was an old 60s episode of Who that had a beatles song in it but since then other version have replaced the song with something else.

I think that's what happened.

Yeah the main reason for The Beatles was a reason and an excuse to get them to Abbey Road where Russell wanted to set the episode. What better reason than having them and Cilla Black be there.

Jinx Monsoon is a drag act Chris. So we know they aren't female. They are literally a female impersonator. They won Drag Race once and then won the Queen of Queens series and have gotten pretty famous out of it. RTD wrote the part with them in mind.

I'm also sure the song at the end and all the fourth wall breaks will come back for the finale. Oh and Shirley Balas and one of the Strictly dancers were in that big song and dance sequence

Originally Posted by Stephen

Jinx Monsoon is a drag act Chris. So we know they aren't female. They are literally a female impersonator. They won Drag Race once and then won the Queen of Queens series and have gotten pretty famous out of it. RTD wrote the part with them in mind.

Lily Savage and Dame Edna Everage were also drag acts, however their performers never claimed to be anything other than men impersonating women in order to get away with comic behaviour they wouldn’t otherwise have been able to.

Jinkx Monsoon is a drag character played by a man who claims to be an actual woman. Offstage he goes by the name Hera Hoffer and is undergoing plastic surgery and hormonal treatment in order to look more like a woman. If that’s how he wants to live his life, to the extent it doesn’t impinge on anyone else, that’s his business. He’s free to ask others to join in as well, as long as he’s also fine with others asserting that sex is immmutable.

[Stephen]

Doesn't claim to be an actual woman. Used to identify as non binary but more recently came out as trans.

Originally Posted by Stephen

Doesn't claim to be an actual woman. Used to identify as non binary but more recently came out as trans.

This isn’t really the space to discuss the problems with trans rights activism, however a key tenet of the movement is that a ‘trans woman is a woman’. Maybe we’ll kick off a separate thread on it some time, the tide is turning now anyway thanks to Cass.