[jfman]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Hamas have given us a vivid reminder of the evils of the current Islamist extremes. They are content to die for their faith and here is the result. Saying that, this is a significant failure for the Israeli security services. They are supposed to have Gaza locked down by sea and land but we see 1000's of missiles being smuggled in, assembled and fired into Israel.

What is interesting are the "normal" reactions from both sides where they condemn the other side yet dance around the reasons and underpinnings of these events. Corbyn is a classic example of this. He will not condemn the attacks in clear language yet will pivot back to the behaviour of Israel.

As you can see on this forum, no sensible debate can be had without recognising the faults on both sides. Gaza is the worlds largest prison camp. It has minimal healthcare, water & electricity rationed by Israel and 40% unemployment. Generations have been born in this camp with literally no hope. No wonder the likes of Hamas seduce them. In a way, Israel helped to form Hamas. By refusing to take seriously the PLO and its attempts to pursue a two state solution, it effectedly spawned Hamas and led us here today.

Both sides are signed up a predominantly Old Testament moral code: "an eye for an eye" with the inevitable "sow and ye shall reap". Like some here are doing, everyone in Gaza are treated as terrorists:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67045078



It is sad that world will, quite correctly, focus on the Israelis killed by Hamas, however the innocents killed by the retaliatory IDF bombs will be lost to history.

Irony overload.