[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

Your decision to describe it as an irrelevance does not make it so. Indeed, you have thought much is irrelevant since the start so forgive me if I doubt your scientific or intellectual vigor in relation to this subject.

My memory is not short - you are simply misrepresenting facts to suit your own agenda. Anyone can freely read the source you have linked to. You have quoted efficacy against hospitalisations, not infections. If more people get infected, more people will get hospitalised by comparison to a highly effective vaccine that prevents both.

I personally wouldn’t be rejoicing if I were you, as you’ve been disappointed before.

Seph’s question on transmission is also pertinent to how and when we get out of the pandemic.

We wouldn't be having this toing/froing if the efficacy claims were fully stated as to applicability. Of course jfman, OB and Pierre would find something else to argue about, perhaps with a bit of Hugh thrown in to provide the sarcasm.