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m419 · 03-06-2008, 14:14

T-Mobile dont really have anything to do with but lease the network to Virgin Media.

Mobile World as I said uses T-Mobile's network and Mobile World route international calls through their own infrastructure within Opal Telecom.

T-Mobile just allows Virgin and Carphone Warehouse to use their reception. Its entirely up to the virtual operator to do what they want in terms of outgoin call costs.

Virgin Mobile used to provide Mobile TV operated by BT Movio, T-Mobile didnt have anything to do with that so what makes you think T-Mobile can prevent Virgin launching something like Web and Walk???

T-Mobile generates revenue from Virgin Mobile/customers from the following:

Virgin renting the T-Mobile network
Incomming calls(termination rates)
GPRS resold by Virgin to customers

Virgin pay T-Mobile a lease which covers their share of investment for network improvements and also pays Cable and Wireless for Emergency services and International operator assistance.

Emergency services,101-Non-Emrgencies and International operator services are provided by Cable and Wireless on the T-Mobile network incl its virtual network partners and Virgin Media Cable lines.

GPRS and CSD WAP are also provided by landline companies which is why it costs a lot of money to use, its practically 3 x the cost of basic ADSL and is even more expensive than 2MB Cable Broadband

So basically, T-Mobile and all other networks is infact a virtual network itself as its basically reselling services provided by Cable and Wireless and BT.

Therefore,the most likely reason for why Virgin hasn't launched services like web and walk is because its too expensive to market and is very hard to obtain contracts with manuacturers,for example the I Phone is exclusive to O2, O2 would have paid a hell of lot to get that contract in place!

Virgin may well be concerned about new services being a failiure just like Mobile TV which was a dead loss. No wonder if BT was involved lol An idea would be for Virgin Media TV to broadcast its channels such as Living and Virgin1 direct to mobile networks so that viewer levels increase and therefore, TV advertisers would eventually have to pay more because there is a wider audience to such channels, this would certainly boost revenues for Virgin Media. Only problem is that Hutchison 3G and Orange who are the largest Mobile TV providers may well not be interested because of the competition between them and Virgin, however, Virgin could always start off Mobile TV again and make its popular channels exclusive to Virgin Mobile customers, also since Virgin Media has a good relation with the BBC, Virgin could also make BBC1,2,3 and 4 as well as BBC Parliament and News 24,Trouble,Challenge,Virgin1,Living,Living 2 all UKTV and Dave channels exclusive to Virgin Mobile customers. And something else that could be done is Movies on the move! What about if they provided Filmflex via Virgin Mobile TV, that would also be a unique selling point.

03-06-2008, 14:14	#5
m419 Inactive Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: London Services: BT Broadband,BT Anytime calls,Sky entertainment extra HD,Vodafone pay monthly Posts: 1,512	Re: Virgin Mobile tariffs T-Mobile dont really have anything to do with but lease the network to Virgin Media. Mobile World as I said uses T-Mobile's network and Mobile World route international calls through their own infrastructure within Opal Telecom. T-Mobile just allows Virgin and Carphone Warehouse to use their reception. Its entirely up to the virtual operator to do what they want in terms of outgoin call costs. Virgin Mobile used to provide Mobile TV operated by BT Movio, T-Mobile didnt have anything to do with that so what makes you think T-Mobile can prevent Virgin launching something like Web and Walk??? T-Mobile generates revenue from Virgin Mobile/customers from the following: Virgin renting the T-Mobile network Incomming calls(termination rates) GPRS resold by Virgin to customers Virgin pay T-Mobile a lease which covers their share of investment for network improvements and also pays Cable and Wireless for Emergency services and International operator assistance. Emergency services,101-Non-Emrgencies and International operator services are provided by Cable and Wireless on the T-Mobile network incl its virtual network partners and Virgin Media Cable lines. GPRS and CSD WAP are also provided by landline companies which is why it costs a lot of money to use, its practically 3 x the cost of basic ADSL and is even more expensive than 2MB Cable Broadband So basically, T-Mobile and all other networks is infact a virtual network itself as its basically reselling services provided by Cable and Wireless and BT. Therefore,the most likely reason for why Virgin hasn't launched services like web and walk is because its too expensive to market and is very hard to obtain contracts with manuacturers,for example the I Phone is exclusive to O2, O2 would have paid a hell of lot to get that contract in place! Virgin may well be concerned about new services being a failiure just like Mobile TV which was a dead loss. No wonder if BT was involved lol An idea would be for Virgin Media TV to broadcast its channels such as Living and Virgin1 direct to mobile networks so that viewer levels increase and therefore, TV advertisers would eventually have to pay more because there is a wider audience to such channels, this would certainly boost revenues for Virgin Media. Only problem is that Hutchison 3G and Orange who are the largest Mobile TV providers may well not be interested because of the competition between them and Virgin, however, Virgin could always start off Mobile TV again and make its popular channels exclusive to Virgin Mobile customers, also since Virgin Media has a good relation with the BBC, Virgin could also make BBC1,2,3 and 4 as well as BBC Parliament and News 24,Trouble,Challenge,Virgin1,Living,Living 2 all UKTV and Dave channels exclusive to Virgin Mobile customers. And something else that could be done is Movies on the move! What about if they provided Filmflex via Virgin Mobile TV, that would also be a unique selling point.