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Taf	12-07-2021 12:52

Welsh required for jobs

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People will need to speak at least a "courtesy" level of basic Welsh in order to get jobs with the Welsh government in future.

This includes answering the phone bilingually, as well as pronouncing and understanding simple words.

Candidates will be expected to show the skills either on appointment or within six months of recruitment.

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There were 34 million page views of the Welsh government's website in English over the past year, compared to 652,000 in Welsh.

Ministers' private offices received 41,037 items of correspondence - 970 (2.36%) were in Welsh.

Of the phone calls received from outside the Welsh government, 4.3% were in Welsh and 95.7% were in English.

Well over 75% in Wales do not speak Welsh. So is this "jobs for the boyos" ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-57776429

Jaymoss

12-07-2021 13:00

Re: Welsh required for jobs

surely this is it discriminatory against those who do not speak Welsh in a widely English speaking country

Russ	12-07-2021 13:01

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I don’t see this as much of a problem as long as Drakeford is happy to foot the bill for the cost of staff to learn Welsh to a “courtesy” level.

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36085976)

surely this is it discriminatory against those who do not speak Welsh in a widely English speaking country

Hang on hang on….you’re suggesting it’s discriminatory to expect people in Wales to speak Welsh?

Carth

12-07-2021 13:02

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36085977)

Hang on hang on….you’re suggesting it’s discriminatory to expect people in Wales to speak Welsh?

If you're Welsh and proud of your roots, keep speaking it :tu:

Local councils are quick to employ interpreters for many languages, why is Welsh any different?

Russ	12-07-2021 13:03

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It’s our national language?

Jaymoss

12-07-2021 13:16

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36085977)

Hang on hang on….you’re suggesting it’s discriminatory to expect people in Wales to speak Welsh?

Absolutely yes

Russ	12-07-2021 13:25

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36085981)

Absolutely yes

Really? How does that work?

nomadking

12-07-2021 13:29

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Whatever way you look at it, the predominant and primary language in Wales, is English.
Welsh is a secondary language. How many Welsh-only speakers are they likely to hire? None, because would create problems dealing with the majority English speakers. Therefore pretty much all Welsh speakers can speak English anyway, so everybody that they have to deal with, can speak a language other than Welsh.
Pure bias, with no justification whatsoever.

Jaymoss

12-07-2021 13:30

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36085982)

Really? How does that work?

Quite easy you do not try to force people to learn a language for a job. Saying no one can work here who only speaks English (which you all speak) is no different to saying no women or no men. It is discriminatory

Russ	12-07-2021 13:31

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36085984)

They haven't said they want Welsh-only speakers.

Bias towards their own national language and wanting to help keep it alive...who'd have thought it eh?

Jaymoss

12-07-2021 13:32

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36085987)

They haven't said they want Welsh-only speakers.

Bias towards their own national language and wanting to help keep it alive...who'd have thought it eh?

keep it alive in schools, promote it in other ways do not discriminate against those who do not speak it

Russ	12-07-2021 13:34

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36085988)

keep it alive in schools, promote it in other ways do not discriminate against those who do not speak it

Absolutely. They're not discriminating though.

Jaymoss

12-07-2021 13:35

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36085990)

Absolutely. They're not discriminating though.

saying we will only give jobs to those who know something is exactly discriminating

Taf	12-07-2021 13:37

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Drakeford (The Undertaker) seems to think that Wales is a bilingual country, and not a country with 2 languages, one of which is used far more than the other.

"You are by far the best candidate for the job. Do you speak Welsh?"

"No".

"Would you be prepared to learn Welsh?"

"No".

"Then the job is not yours".

Russ	12-07-2021 13:37

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36085992)

saying we will only give jobs to those who know something is exactly discriminating

If that's what they were saying then yes it would be.

But they're not, are they? Read the article, they're being given 6 months to pick it up.

Welsh is one of the easiest languages for non-English speaking people to pick up. Lots of jobs expect you to learn new skills in a given timeframe, why is this any different?

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