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Maggy 03-11-2021 18:02
Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59154221

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Conservative Owen Paterson has avoided punishment for now as the government ordered its MPs to back a review of standards investigations.

The result of the vote was met with cries of "shame" from opposition MPs.

Mr Paterson was found to have misused his position as an MP to benefit two companies he worked for.

But he said the probe into his conduct was unfair - and the government backed plans by his allies to overhaul the system.
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However, thirteen Conservatives voted against the amendment, while 98 had no vote recorded - which could either be a deliberate abstention or they could have just not been able to vote.

Aaron Bell - a Tory who opposed the amendment - said the proposals made it look "like we're moving the goalposts" and that any reform of the rules needed support across the House of Commons.

Liberal Democrat chief whip Wendy Chamberlain described the amendment as a "stitch up... you expect in a tin pot dictatorship, not the home of parliamentary democracy".

I am disgusted. Such flagrant disregard for parliamentary rules by The Tory Party.:mad:

Dave42 03-11-2021 18:04
Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up
 
no surprise it the corrupt party imagine the outcry if it was a labour MP that done when Paterson done

Damien 03-11-2021 19:13
Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up
 
MPs are laughing at us.

OLD BOY 03-11-2021 20:11
Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up
 
Paterson hasn’t been let off - at least yet!

As I understand it, the issue is the lack of a right to appeal. Isn’t that more in line with the courts, employment law requirements of employers, etc?

Why that was not already in place is difficult to fathom.

But whatever happens next, if Paterson is as guilty as hell, that’s what the finding should be.

1andrew1 03-11-2021 22:16
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36099904)
Paterson hasn’t been let off - at least yet!

As I understand it, the issue is the lack of a right to appeal. Isn’t that more in line with the courts, employment law requirements of employers, etc?

Why that was not already in place is difficult to fathom.

But whatever happens next, if Paterson is as guilty as hell, that’s what the finding should be.
That's all spin for the weak-minded party faithful to lap up. Even MPs don't believe that hyperbole though they do feel understandably sorry for the popular MP in question whose wife committed suicide last year. It's just a purely political decision which lessens the checks and balances in British democracy. When one of Johnson's men was caught out by the rules, they decided to change the rules.

As Robert Shrimsley in the FT notes
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More important than any electoral consequence is that it removes another brick from the edifice of shared belief in the agreed democratic process. The British system relies on the readiness of all sides to accept the rules even when doing so is uncomfortable. One day the Tories will be in opposition again and may come to rue the precedents they are setting now.

By his actions Johnson has shown contempt for the system and swept away another check on the power of the government and its friends. It is a shameful and damaging day for British politics.
https://www.ft.com/content/859a0859-...a-8e22131eab97

OLD BOY 03-11-2021 23:19
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36099917)
That's all spin for the weak-minded party faithful to lap up. Even MPs don't believe that hyperbole though they do feel understandably sorry for the popular MP in question whose wife committed suicide last year. It's just a purely political decision which lessens the checks and balances in British democracy. When one of Johnson's men was caught out by the rules, they decided to change the rules.

As Robert Shrimsley in the FT notes

https://www.ft.com/content/859a0859-...a-8e22131eab97
That is your inevitable opinion, but Paterson is not off the hook. All the PM is saying is that he, and every MP, should have the right of appeal.

What’s wrong with that?

1andrew1 03-11-2021 23:47
Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36099922)
That is your inevitable opinion, but Paterson is not off the hook. All the PM is saying is that he, and every MP, should have the right of appeal.

What’s wrong with that?
If you want to change the legislation then go about it in the proper and timely manner. Don't change the rules because your mate's been caught out to stop him being punished. A glance at tomorrow's headlines shows this situation has not played out well with sleaze a common thread.

Shameless MPs sink back into sleaze (Daily Mail)

PM accused of corruption as rukes on sleaze torn up (The Guardian)

Tories rip up Britain's anti-sleaze rules to save guilty MP (The i)

The Sleazy Way Out (Metro)

https://news.sky.com/story/wednesday...pages-12427754

Paul 04-11-2021 00:39
Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up
 
Wait .... papers attack government ... shocking .. who would have guessed that ...

TheDaddy 04-11-2021 01:23
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36099926)
Wait .... papers attack government ... shocking .. who would have guessed that ...
Probably the same people who would have guessed the tories would be up to their cheating necks on sleeze and corruption by now and that should be everyone, guess what though, if they didn't have the morals of a third world junta the press wouldn't be able to attack them

Paul 04-11-2021 05:50
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36099930)
.....the press wouldn't be able to attack them
and if you believe that, I have an Eiffel Tower to sell you. :rolleyes:

1andrew1 04-11-2021 07:11
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36099926)
Wait .... papers attack government ... shocking .. who would have guessed that ...
They're unusually strong headlines. And the Daily Mail is a Conservative newspaper.

Russ 04-11-2021 07:45
Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36099904)

As I understand it, the issue is the lack of a right to appeal. Isn’t that more in line with the courts, employment law requirements of employers, etc?
If that genuinely was the reason behind this then why hadn't the Tories done something about it before?

OLD BOY 04-11-2021 07:50
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36099924)
If you want to change the legislation then go about it in the proper and timely manner. Don't change the rules because your mate's been caught out to stop him being punished. A glance at tomorrow's headlines shows this situation has not played out well with sleaze a common thread.

Shameless MPs sink back into sleaze (Daily Mail)

PM accused of corruption as rukes on sleaze torn up (The Guardian)

Tories rip up Britain's anti-sleaze rules to save guilty MP (The i)

The Sleazy Way Out (Metro)

https://news.sky.com/story/wednesday...pages-12427754
Your links prove nothing - they are just opinions. The Conservatives could have voted not to support the committee's recommendation, but they chose instead to establish the right of appeal.

Paterson has been claiming that his case was not properly investigated and it highlighted that the existing process was defective. A right of appeal is nothing more than natural justice - something you would be howling from the rooftops if it was a Labour MP.

heero_yuy 04-11-2021 08:24
Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up
 
Given that 51 Tory MP's voted against this despite a three line whip, Labour had a golden opportunity to defeat the government. So why didn't they?

Damien 04-11-2021 08:31
Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36099922)
That is your inevitable opinion, but Paterson is not off the hook. All the PM is saying is that he, and every MP, should have the right of appeal.

What’s wrong with that?
He is off the hook, the Tories 'reformed' process isn't going to suddenly find against the man they've decided to tear up the existing process to protect.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36099940)
Given that 51 Tory MP's voted against this despite a three line whip, Labour had a golden opportunity to defeat the government. So why didn't they?
The Tories have an 80 seat majority. The bill passed by a margin of 18.

They would have needed more than 51 rebels (and only 13 voted against, others either abstained or were absent).


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