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I'm just waiting for the covid deniers to come out of their hole, and say this is something minor

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I'm just waiting for the panic merchants to come out and tell us to hide in the cupboard under the stairs and wear full hazmat gear to go shopping. :rolleyes:

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Transmissibility is a lot lower than what COVID is. Is supposed to be more prevalent with skin to skin contact and they already have a vaccine. It’s not going to be the next pandemic.

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Those of us who had the smallpox vaccine before it was withdrawn in 71 have "some protection" from monkeypox.

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That said, Belgium has introduced mandatory 21 day quarantine for those who test positive.

https://www.gbnews.uk/news/monkeypox...belgium/300215

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How long is it going to be before someone tries the L word?


Some people will be calling for it at any opportunity now they've done it once.

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Once you've caught it, vaccines are of no use.

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What's the herd immunity threshold?

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It is seriously unlikely to kill you or put a strain on the NHS so quite a bit different to Covid innit

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ATM, it *is* minor, nor is it in any way comparable with covid, its a lot (lot) harder to spread.
The largest previous outbreaks have been < 200 cases (its been around since the early 1970's).

Technically it can be fatal, but then so can measles, but its very rare.

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Not true

"Vaccination after exposure to monkeypox virus is still possible. However, the sooner an exposed person gets the vaccine, the better.

CDC recommends that the vaccine be given within 4 days from the date of exposure in order to prevent onset of the disease. If given between 4–14 days after the date of exposure, vaccination may reduce the symptoms of disease, but may not prevent the disease."

https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeyp...x-vaccine.html

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The smallpox vaccine is only 85% effective against monkeypox. The immune system will be ramping up anyway. All the vaccine could do is effectively increase the level of perceived(as far as the immune system is concerned) infection. The underlying immune process can't be accelerated.

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surely the word only should only be used when the number is small, 85% effective is not bad

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How can MonkeyPox spread:

Monkeypox is very difficult to catch from someone carrying the infection and is mostly caught from infected wild animals in west of central Africa.

The illness for most people is mild with full recovery taking up to four weeks, while the chance of catching it in the UK is currently very low.

According to the NHS, you can catch monkeypox if you are bitten by an infected animal or if you touch its blood, body fluids, spots, blisters or scabs.

Catching it from an infected person is very uncommon, but transmission is possible through touching clothing, bedding, towels or other items used by someone with the rash.

Contact with their blisters or scabs or exposure to their coughs or sneezes could also put you at risk.

What are the symptoms to look out for?

It normally takes between five and 21 days for symptoms to appear.

The initial symptoms include a high temperature, headache, muscle aches, backache, swollen glands, shivering and exhaustion.

A rash will usually appear between one and five days after the first symptoms, beginning on the face and then spreading to other parts of the body.

It can be confused with chickenpox as it begins with raised spots.

The symptoms will usually disappear in two to four weeks, although some people will need hospital treatment.

https://news.sky.com/story/monkeypox...pread-12614394

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I know this but that won't stop some will it? We're already seeing suggestions people will be obliged or recommended to self isolate.


We had similar in early 2020, they were telling people with cough/fever to isolate, then they said they were going to shield elderly people and tell them not to go out for 12 weeks, then they started telling people to WFH...


Even then covid didn't really have that much of a fatality rate - especially when you count the number of people who presumably had it without realising, either because they had no symptoms or they were so minimal, the case fatality rate is clearly much lower than quoted, so actually the issues with covid were less than quoted - but still, pretty high at certain times.


It's a known virus, most people have immunity, they just need to slow it a bit.

Well, 85% effective isn't really that high, it does mean that 15% will not have any benefit at all from it, which isn't too bad in small numbers, but in higher ones...

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Only 15% hahahahaha

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It is. You need close person to person contact to catch it, transmission is usually sexual. Symptoms are mild and most people recover quickly. It has a 3% fatality rate, but that is based on the outcomes in African nations not European ones with better healthcare. Common anti-virals can treat it and if absolutely necessary the Smallpox vaccine is 85% effective against it.

So I am not in the least bit concerned about it.

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It's the 21 days quarantine that may make some decide to risk it.

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BREAKING: MonkeyPox cases in the UK rises to 56 according to UK Health Security Agency announces.

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Sadly I know people that won't care, armed police outside their home wouldn't stop them,

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BREAKING: MonkeyPox cases in UK rises to 71 according to UKHSA.

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I couldn't give a shit about their poxy monkeypox, :D we'll soon be getting locked up for hayfever outbreaks!

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NEW: MonkeyPox cases in UK rises to 90 according to UKHSA.

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Too many cases for it to be mainly down to contact with animals.

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It’s not and no one has ever claimed that.

It seems to have come from Africa and spread at a couple of raves in Europe, mainly amongst gay men.

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So Mick didn't post this in post#15?
If catching from someone is difficult, just think what the number of current cases would be, if it wasn't difficult to catch. If eg only 1 in 100 people pass it on(I don't know the real figure, perhaps nobody does), and 90 cases are in the UK, then that would suggest around 9,000 cases already out there. If instead, the 90 all knew each other, it should take a large number of "interactions" for that number of people to become infected from one another.
Perhaps there is a previously unidentified method of transmission that isn't very difficult.

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Scaremongering again by the media, OK cases are rising but associated to a sub-groupe alledgedly. I will not judge anyone in that respect.
It's also (at least partially alledged) that those of us who had the smallpox vaccination will have some protecion.

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As per, you get the wrong end of the stick and proceed to beat yourself soundly with it.

Nuance is always important, but sadly it’s what you most often seem to miss. A couple of things I’ve noted as I’ve read through this thread:

1. 85% effectiveness is extremely good for any vaccine. You have no room to argue here, least of all on the basis that the number just doesn’t look good enough to you. I would have hoped we would all have learned at least this much over the past 2 years.

2. Again, with regards to nuance: Mick and Pierre are not contradicting one another, they are expressing different aspects of the problem. Monkey pox does not readily transmit from human to human and when a case is identified, good diagnostic practice would be to check for contact with infected animals first. Where it does transmit from human to human, close contact is required, and even then it doesn’t transmit easily.

3. This leads to the shibboleth surrounding this issue. Given the stigma around AIDS in the 1980s I can understand why our public health officials have been reluctant to say this aloud, but for monkeypox to transmit most readily from human to human it requires intimate contact. For it to transmit readily through a significant number of people, that is likely to be promiscuous sexual contact. Gay raves in Europe is an entirely plausible theory, though again I understand why officials are unlikely ever to say this aloud and will instead focus on highly targeted messaging to bring the outbreak under control.

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I'm not sure on point 3 based on reading this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-45665821

specifically

'Are gay men at greater risk?
Although some of the cases have been seen in gay and bisexual men, anyone who comes into close contact with someone who has monkeypox could potentially get the virus.

The UK Health Security Agency has said "a notable proportion" of the recent cases in the UK and Europe have been found in gay and bisexual men "so we are particularly encouraging them to be alert to the symptoms and seek help if concerned".'

in terms of transmission

'Monkeypox can be spread when someone is in close contact with an infected person. The virus can enter the body through broken skin, the respiratory tract or through the eyes, nose or mouth.

It has not previously been described as a sexually transmitted infection, but it can be passed on by direct contact during sex.

It can also be spread by contact with infected animals such as monkeys, rats and squirrels, or by virus-contaminated objects, such as bedding and clothing.'

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All of which is true, but I’m thinking more of what has actually happened in this case, not what can happen in general. Gay men aren’t at greater risk generally, but if an infection occurred within a section of the community that was particularly promiscuous, at a time when promiscuity was likely to be higher (such as a large drug-fuelled rave more likely to be attended by young, sexually active gay men, as has been suggested to be the case here) then that’s the community where the infection is going to get a foothold in this instance.

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NEW: UKHSA announces MonkeyPox cases have risen to 106 in the UK.

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BREAKING: MonkeyPox cases rises to 179 according to UKHSA.

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452 confirmed cases in England now.

In the meantime, the latest prize for stupidity goes to the World Health Organization, who are looking at renaming it.

So instead of working with experts to find the issue, they just want to rename it. :dozey: Well i suppose that will reduce the Monkeypox count to 0.

I expect Chickenpox is next on the list of these idiots. :rolleyes:

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There is a major problem with animal names, Chicken = coward, Monkey = mischievous and you don't want to stigmatise people by associating a label like that to them.


The difficulty is that different nations view animals differently. You need to find an animal that can't be negative when attached to humans but doesn't denigrate any animal that is held in high regard either.

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Link

That just rolls off the tongue, doesn't it?:rolleyes: Strange that they are only now considering changing the name.
For something that is meant to be difficult to transmit human to human,
there seems to be a lot of cases.

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I think most people will continue to call it monkeypox.

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No there isnt, the only problem is the lunitics inventing issues that dont exist (again). :dozey:

No one has ever thought someone getting chickenpox is 'cowardly', or someone getting monkeypox is 'mischievous'. :rolleyes:

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-62279436

More than 16,000 cases have now been reported from 75 countries, with five deaths.

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There could also be racial connotations with the name Monkeypox, particularly in light of where it is said to have originated from.

Racists often like to compare black people with primates.

Just seen a news report. A guy who recovered from it said that it was extremely painful, so much so that he gave the doctors treating him carte blanche to take any action that they thought would help.

---------- Post added at 04:59 ---------- Previous post was at 03:42 ----------

Forgot to say that it was also said that it isn't just the typical symptoms that are present when it manifests itself, it can also present itself in the same way as a sexually transmitted disease and has fooled some doctors into erroneously thinking that this was what it was.

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Oh FFS, give it a rest.

Everything in the world is not racist (except to those trying very hard to find it where none exists).

Oh, and its name "originated" from Denmark.

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This particular outbreak is said to have started in Central & West Africa.

I suspect that this will be a major reason why they want to change the name. Didn't they do something similar with one particular strain of the coronavirus?

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They did, it was the Irish strain, they called it the potato virus. That was deemed racist so they gave it the correct scientific name of “spudulika.paddi.1b”

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:rofl::rofl:

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When did drug fuelled raves start to become places for everyone to have sex with each other?

While chemsex may be a thing and the monkeypox spread amongst this particular group fast (like it did with aids incidentally), drugs and the rave side of things are not really a factor in anything. No more than alcohol helping drunk people get laid.

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With AIDS, iirc it was the "bathhouses" in San Francisco that were a factor. With monkeypox the outbreak in Spain has been traced back to an adult sauna.
UK government advice.
The people who were getting HIV/AIDs tended to be the same one that were routinely also getting the likes of Syphilis and Gonorrhoea.
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Zero chance of that happening.
Before PrEP.

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Just to point out those stats are way out of date and also not reflective of HIV transmission or treatment levels in the UK.

https://www.nat.org.uk/about-hiv/hiv-statistics

However to manage to get the testing and treatment levels to the same for other diseases like Monkeypox takes money and available treatment options. As yet it's extremely difficult to get pre-infection treatment for Monkeypox in the UK and many other countries.

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They are indicative of behaviour without PrEP or any sort of treatment. Just as cures for Syphilis and Gonorrhoea helped promote the spread of HIV/AIDS.

The current medical advice is to refrain, the study shows that won't happen.

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BREAKING: Spain reporting on first MonkeyPox related death in Europe:

https://news.sky.com/story/spain-con...break-12661601