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British holidaymakers will be barred from the European Union from 1 January under current Covid-19 safety restrictions, with the EU commission indicating there will be no exemption for the UK.

Only a handful of countries with low coronavirus rates are exempt from rules that prohibit nonessential visitors from outside the EU and European Economic Area (EEA) – with the UK included only until the end of the Brexit transition period.

Mr K	10-12-2020 12:37

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36061645)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...d-safety-rules

Will Morecambe be the new Ibiza? ;)

Carth

10-12-2020 13:01

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36061645)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...d-safety-rules

British holidaymakers will be barred from the European Union from 1 January under current Covid-19 safety restrictions, with the EU commission indicating there will be no exemption for the UK.

Only a handful of countries with low coronavirus rates are exempt from rules that prohibit nonessential visitors from outside the EU and European Economic Area (EEA) – with the UK included only until the end of the Brexit transition period.

No problem . . . obviously to keep the virus from spreading there will be no travel to the UK from any EU country either . . oh hang on, that won't go down well :D

Hugh	10-12-2020 14:24

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36061629)

I'll agree with that, however deaths for any reason 28 days after a positive test seems a fudge of Covid statistics to me.

This may provide some clarity.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publica...eaths-covid-19

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Validity of cause of death: the GOV.UK data measures deaths following a positive test for Covid-19, but some of these deaths could be due to a different cause, whatever the interval from testing to death used for measuring them. The ONS data is derived from death certificates, and includes only deaths where the doctor believed Covid-19 caused or contributed to the death, making cause of death as involving Covid-19 more reliable.

Paul	10-12-2020 22:40

Re: Coronavirus

As I think I have previously pointed out somewhere in this topic, the governmant site shows both.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

1andrew1

10-12-2020 22:51

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36061665)

No problem . . . obviously to keep the virus from spreading there will be no travel to the UK from any EU country either . . oh hang on, that won't go down well :D

They lose one country to visit and we lose 27. ;) Not that anyones doing much travel at tbe moment

jonbxx

11-12-2020 13:02

Re: Coronavirus

This is a really good article - Immunology Is Where Intuition Goes to Die as a laymans guide to how our immune system reacts to ARS-Cov2 infections.

Basically, immunology is really really complicated!

jfman

11-12-2020 15:31

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-55270942

Why have one state media apparatus talk up your vaccine when you can have two?

Pierre

11-12-2020 18:10

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36061607)

Context is everything here.

My understanding is Pierre is sceptical of the benefits of lockdown. We're all entitled to our opinions as long as we can back them up with evidence.

With death rates apparently rising since the end of lockdown, it could be perceived that Pierre is criticising Mr K's imperfect phrasing of deaths because that evidence contradicts his opinion.

I hope that the deaths reported today reduce down substantially and Pierre is right.

Er, no, I was just correcting the statement. Otherwise people may have incorrectly thought that 500 had died in one, when the daily death tolls have never reached that figure. It might unnecessarily frighten some poeople!

jfman

11-12-2020 18:28

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36061918)

Because the 470 or so it’s reached a few times (by date of death) is much more comforting?

Paul	11-12-2020 18:37

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36061921)

Because the 470 or so it’s reached a few times (by date of death) is much more comforting?

Yes.

nomadking

11-12-2020 18:50

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I'm wondering what will happen in 21 days time. Will there be enough supply for both groups of people, those having their 2nd jab, and those having their 1st.

Paul	11-12-2020 18:53

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Well you would hope they planned for that. :)

nomadking

11-12-2020 19:16

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36061929)

Well you would hope they planned for that. :)

It needs specialist storage and transportation. Everything connected with it will have to increase dramatically, unless they already have a surplus or planned increase in capacity. The temptation will be "we have x doses, let's plan to inject X people".
Even the AstraZeneca vaccine requires 2 doses, 28 days apart.

Looking at the BMA advice to GPs, there's no specific mention of this planning matter.

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