Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36082631)

Won't be long before the new season is upon us, looking forward to a European adventure

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36082637)

Big Wales or Scotland fan are you? :)

Originally Posted by iadom (Post 36082708)

The picture quality for the early Euro 2020 games on BBC is not great for me. I noticed that during the past few months any live games on BBC often had poor picture on live TV but it was much clearer on iPlayer.

The picture from ITV for the Belgium v Russia game is much better. Is there any known reason for this?

Originally Posted by iadom (Post 36083508)

Great performance from Wales today. :cool:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36083510)

They'll go further than England (again).

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36083535)

Forever the pessimist Mr K.;)

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36083541)

I'm an optimist Den ! Welsh parents, so Wales before England for me :)

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36083703)

l would be happy for both countries to succeed in this tournament.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36083738)

Why? You can probably count the Scottish and Welsh fans on one hand who want England to do well, when Terry Henry handballed it in against Ireland I was gutted for them until my pal made me realise if it had happened to England they wouldn't have stopped laughing for weeks

Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36083843)

What is the point of Harry Kane

A complete waste of space AGAIN

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36083844)

Unless Southgate progresses far with this team there have to be questions over him. Just boring, lifeless, ambitionless, football. England has much better players than what they're showing out there. Just watching them pass back and forth with no creativity, no one taking risks, no movement just waiting until what exactly?

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36083848)

What a pathetic [England] performance.

Its like they thought all they had to do was turn up and pretend to play.

I'm sure they spent most of the time passing backwards.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36083844)

Unless Southgate progresses far with this team there have to be questions over him. Just boring, lifeless, ambitionless, football. England has much better players than what they're showing out there. Just watching them pass back and forth with no creativity, no one taking risks, no movement just waiting until what exactly?

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36083510)

They'll go further than England (again).

Originally Posted by iadom (Post 36084451)

Or maybe not.;)

Originally Posted by iadom (Post 36084818)

It was a poor game for 70 minutes, and thank goodness for Muller Light.

A well deserved win all the same.:cool:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36084820)

What's the German word for schadenfreude...

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36084824)

Würdevoll… ;)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1624997042

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36085557)

Run up to the game, social media frenzy about how brilliant the England team is and Southgate should be knighted.

Denmark win 3-1

Social media goes into meltdown, driven by posts about how crap England are and Southgate should be sacked. Video of Lineker crying into crisp packet goes viral.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36085596)

55 years of pain and hurt and England have finally reached another major final.:D:D

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36085598)

Well done to the squad and management, definite improvement.

Probably only another 30 years now until we actually win one :D

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36085596)

55 years of pain and hurt and England have finally reached another major final.:D:D

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36085624)

Liked Gary Nevilles comment afterwards , about Southgate being a great leader, the kind we haven't had in this country lately :D

Originally Posted by iadom (Post 36085679)

Sweet Caroline has been sung for a few years now by Lancashire Cricket fans in particular, often led by Bumble (David Lloyd). ;)

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36085686)

If matches had to be replayed because of iffy decisions, how many of the matches wouldn't have had to be replayed? The awarding of the free kick that eventually led to the Danish goal could be described as "iffy".
More generally, try going through events on a frame by frame basis to see the true sequence of events and who started to move first and therefore should have "right of way".

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36085741)

Can't see the fuss around it all really, hate soccer but even in rugby its only a game and the ref is only human. Make too many mistakes you get pushed to Sunday park games but it really isn't the end of the world whoever wins or loses. (Unless England win a major soccer tourney then it's headlines for the next few decades - yawn!! Here's hoping Italy manage it)

Originally Posted by iadom (Post 36085936)

Stats don’t lie, Italy 65% possession, 19 shots 6 on target, England 6 shots 2 on target. Lucky to get to a shoot out sadly.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 36085949)

Might as well chuck in the embarrassing actions of some of the England fans to go with that.

Italian fans beaten upon entry to the stadium. Apparently leading them through a turnstile right into a foyer full of England fans was a cracking idea. Can definitely be trusted to be civil and behave as one takes a swing at what appears to be a teenage boy. That's before the games even started.

Italian fans beaten on the way out :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36085952)

Italy’s performance was dire. England’s was not great either. It should have been 3-1 to Italy, but England’s Defensive abilities shone through, the cheating fouling by Italy was a disgrace, they had quite a few given yellow cards and one of them should have been a straight red when Saka had the back of his neck shirt pulled, for this, they didn’t deserve to win at all.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36085955)

Got to balance that with our 'cheating' to get to the final. A dive for a penalty and a laser shone in the Danish keepers face.
Disagree that Italy were dire, there's a reason they're unbeaten in over 30 matches.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36085959)

You know something, you always put your country down first, you’re an absolute disgrace Mr K, sick of your negative bullshit.

Italy: Unbeaten probably due to the cheating they do. They were dire. As is your ability to read things correctly.

The laser shone, nothing to do with the team. Diving happens all over the place across many different teams. Italy cheated quite a lot yesterday, pulling on Saka brought shame on them.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36085952)

Italy’s performance was dire. England’s was not great either. It should have been 3-1 to Italy, but England’s Defensive abilities shone through, the cheating fouling by Italy was a disgrace, they had quite a few given yellow cards and one of them should have been a straight red when Saka had the back of his neck shirt pulled, for this, they didn’t deserve to win at all.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36085944)

The players taking their medals off is exactly the kind of reason the rest of the UK finds it hard to support England.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36085969)

That foul on Saka wasn't a red as Chiellini wasn't the last man.

It was a textbook tactical foul. It was a dangerous situation, Saka is fast and you're on the wrong side of him so take him down and take the yellow. Happens all the time and had the situations been reversed I would want us to do the same and we almost certainly would.

It is cynical but you need a bit of cynicism in football.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36085969)

Oh come on that happens all the time in finals. That 2nd place medal in finals is always a horrible moment for the losing side and they frequently take them off.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36085975)

It doesn't happen "all the time". It stinks of entitlement and is something a lot of England fans were clearly blind to, as well as the media.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36085985)

Do said teams expect fans of other clubs/nations to support them?

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36086002)

Whilst we're at it I also don't think many of us 'expected' to win Euro 2020. Even the press today is largely focusing on the disappointment in the final but the pride in getting there. There is not the angry expectation that we should have won the entire thing.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36086000)

I'm certainly not hysterical about it, just outlining why it was difficult for me to support England after Wales went out.

There certainly has been a level of arrogance and entitlement and a lot of it came from the media

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36086004)

Erm, you didn’t see the fighting and riots as well as the abuse aimed towards sole black players?

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36085972)

Anyway, I think we can be proud of this England team. The first final in 55 years. They have been a credit to the country and, hopefully, they can take some confidence into the World Cup.

I think it was very unfair on Saka to have to take the 5th penalty. The more senior players should have fronted up and taken one.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36086005)

I think it's fine for the home nations not to support England. I just get annoyed when people zero in on things every team does and make them out to be uniquely wrong about England.

The European press was going on about no one wanting England to win because of it's fans - or the 'dive' against Demark - as if Italy doesn't have a problem with football violence or diving either.

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Racists exist on social media (and elsewhere). I dare there are racists in Wales who would abuse black players under a fake name on Twitter.

And yes the fighting and riots are a problem I don't think that's unique to England either and whilst we should ban these people and also work out how to better stop them in future, it's more a result of people getting tanked up before the game and acting like thugs. They would have started fighting if we won as well.

I perfectly accept these are problems but I don't accept they're unique to England.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36086041)

Hopefully, the online harms Act will prevent online harassment of those in minority groups.

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36086049)

If they (and the media) stopped giving the racists/abusers constant attention they would simply fade away.

They love the attention & limelight, and right now they are getting absolutely tons of it.

Stop taking the bloody knee, stop making a huge fuss about it [complaining about it to the press] - simply turn on your word filters and ignore them.

Once they realise they are no longer getting constant attenion and reactions, they will get bored and move on.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36086050)

Agreed. I wonder if taking the knee every game has amplified the racists to be more aggressive, strike harder than before, than be passive, like the old England player, [B]John Barnes said this morning, while being interviewed, it is not the job of the sport of football to tackle the issue of racism, and that it is a societal issue.[B]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36086061)

Besides, I don't see why racism should be singled our for special attention. There are a wide number of disadvantaged groups who suffer from discrimination, harassment etc. Just singling one group out implies that racism is somehow worse than any other form of oppression & is in itself a form of indirect discrimination.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36086067)

What a lucky kid : Get's Jack Grealish's boots and a photo op:-

https://twitter.com/alexrayx/status/1414580353449308166

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36086061)

I totally agree with him, he speaks a lot of sense does John Barnes. These BLM people have orchestrated it to be the case that if you don't wholeheartedly support them, then you must be racist or believe that black lives don't matter.

Besides, I don't see why racism should be singled out for special attention. There are a wide number of disadvantaged groups who suffer from discrimination, harassment etc. Just singling one group out implies that racism is somehow worse than any other form of oppression & is in itself a form of indirect discrimination.

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36086075)

disablist ?

Did you just make that up :D

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36086049)

If they (and the media) stopped giving the racists/abusers constant attention they would simply fade away.

They love the attention & limelight, and right now they are getting absolutely tons of it.

Stop taking the bloody knee, stop making a huge fuss about it [complaining about it to the press] - simply turn on your word filters and ignore them.

Once they realise they are no longer getting constant attenion and reactions, they will get bored and move on.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36086078)

That’s like saying if women didn’t wear low cut tops or short skirts they’re wouldn’t be as many women being sexually harassed, sexually assaulted (or worse)

Racism in all its guises has existed long before BLM, your statement however is if we don’t draw attention to it it will go away

The problem is the racists NOT those who are protesting/drawing attention to it.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36086095)

Then can you please explain why it is not getting any better, despite attention being brought to it, in fact it is getting a lot worse than ever, not better.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36086095)

Then can you please explain why it is not getting any better, despite attention being brought to it, in fact it is getting a lot worse than ever, not better.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36086097)

Surely, if it’s getting worse it’s even more important to protest against it and refuse to accept it?

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36086104)

Taking the knee won’t stop racism. As it’s clearly been demonstrated given the online abuse and vandalism of Marcus Rashford’s Mural after his disastrous penalty attempt.