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Mick 01-11-2022 15:51
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
BREAKING: U.S Supreme Court Chief Justice, John Roberts, temporarily blocks Democrat controlled Ways and Means Committee in Congress from accessing former U.S President Donald Trump’s Tax returns. - CNBC.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/11/01/...-congress.html

1andrew1 16-11-2022 08:19
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
As expected, Trump's now announced he's running for the Presidency in 2024. Given his candidates' poor showing at the mid-terms, will he win the nomination? If not, will he say it was rigged?
https://news.sky.com/story/donald-tr...-2024-12741322

Damien 16-11-2022 08:27
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
The Democrats would welcome a contentious Primary between him and DeSantis especially if Trump loses and doesn't accept it. Of course they would do a lot better if they ditched Biden so a Democratic Primary would need to happen as well.

Pierre 16-11-2022 09:47
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36140098)
The Democrats would welcome a contentious Primary between him and DeSantis especially if Trump loses and doesn't accept it. Of course they would do a lot better if they ditched Biden so a Democratic Primary would need to happen as well.
De Santis won't run against Trump. He doesn't need the aggro and he has time on his side.

It will be interesting to see if anyone of note goes up against him or whether they just let him run, if he wins, he wins (very doubtful IMO) but if he loses, that's him done and then the republicans can look to De Santis or someone else.

Damien 16-11-2022 11:51
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36140106)
De Santis won't run against Trump. He doesn't need the aggro and he has time on his side.
It's a risky bet because you don't know what'll change. The momentum is all with De Santis right now so it would be a risk for him to wait and possibly lose it. His time could well be now with the success of the mid-terms for him vs the candidates Trump backed, with Biden being very unpopular and with the support he'll likely get within the Republican Party.

So much of becoming President is about the moment. If you let it pass it might not come again.

So I am not sure he won't run against Trump unless it's nailed on that he'll lose.

Hugh 01-12-2022 23:53
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
https://lawandcrime.com/trump/the-an...a-lago-review/

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Just like any other subject of a criminal investigation, former President Donald Trump does not have a right to have a special master determine whether the files seized by the FBI are privileged, the 11th Circuit ruled Thursday.

“This appeal requires us to consider whether the district court had jurisdiction to block the United States from using lawfully seized records in a criminal investigation. The answer is no,” the per curiam opinion began.

The panel said it would not create a new rule for former presidents.

“In considering these arguments, we are faced with a choice: apply our usual test; drastically expand the availability of equitable jurisdiction for every subject of a search warrant; or carve out an unprecedented exception in our law for former presidents,” the opinion said. “We choose the first option. So the case must be dismissed.

The unanimous ruling came from about as friendly territory that Trump could have hoped for: All three of the judges were appointed by Republican presidents, including two whom he personally selected. The per curiam opinion means that they rendered their lacerating judgment in one voice, with no lead author.

All of them agreed that Trump-appointed U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon did not have jurisdiction to hear Trump’s case, let alone issue a sweeping ruling forbidding federal authorities from using thousands of seized files in an ongoing criminal investigation pending the completion of a special master’s review. The 11th Circuit’s ruling voids the special master process in its entirely, relieving Senior U.S. District Judge Raymond Dearie of his duties.
Full ruling - https://s3.documentcloud.org/documen...h-c-vacate.pdf

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36139042)
BREAKING: U.S Supreme Court Chief Justice, John Roberts, temporarily blocks Democrat controlled Ways and Means Committee in Congress from accessing former U.S President Donald Trump’s Tax returns. - CNBC.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/11/01/...-congress.html
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63818778

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Donald Trump's tax returns have been handed over to a committee of the US House of Representatives after the former president lost a long legal battle to keep them sealed.

The Treasury Department said it had complied with a Supreme Court order that the records should be given to a panel in the Democrat-controlled House…

…The committee made its first request for Mr Trump's tax documents in 2019, after the Democrats took over the House.

Mr Trump took legal steps to block any such release, though ultimately failed when the Supreme Court last week cleared the way for his papers to be accessed by the panel.

Mick 05-12-2022 14:17
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
What a Shame Democrats no longer control the House and such investigations will end, in the new session.

Damien 05-12-2022 15:52
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
That's if the Republicans decide they want to continue to back Trump. Given the midterms they might try to distance themselves a bit.

Hugh 05-12-2022 16:10
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36141217)
What a Shame Democrats no longer control the House and such investigations will end, in the new session.
That won’t end the DOJ investigations, or the NY state ones.

Mick 05-12-2022 16:17
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36141223)
That won’t end the DOJ investigations, or the NY state ones.
Ah yes the Democrats weaponising the law to go after their opponents, sounds very Russiany. :rolleyes:

Hugh 05-12-2022 16:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36141226)
Ah yes the Democrats weaponising the law to go after their opponents, sounds very Russiany. :rolleyes:
Terrible if that happens…

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/13/p...mey/index.html

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Former President Donald Trump repeatedly told his onetime White House chief of staff, John Kelly, that he wanted the Internal Revenue Service to investigate his political foes, Kelly told The New York Times.

Among the people Trump wanted to “get the I.R.S. on” were former FBI Director James Comey and former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, Kelly told the newspaper.

“I would say, ‘It’s inappropriate, it’s illegal, it’s against their integrity and the I.R.S. knows what it’s doing and it’s not a good idea,’” Kelly said he told Trump, according to the Times.

“Yeah, but they’re writing bad things about me,” Trump responded, according to Kelly.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...es-1234588539/

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Trump’s DOJ Pushed for Prosecution of Political Enemies, Book Claims

Former U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Berman writes in 'Holding the Line' that the administration went after critics like former Secretary of State John Kerry

FORMER SOUTHERN DISTRICT of New York attorney Geoffrey Berman claims the Trump administration’s Justice Department pushed investigations into Trump’s critics that “would directly further Mr. Trump’s desires for revenge and advantage,” according to a copy of his new book Holding the Line.

Mick 05-12-2022 16:35
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
Irrelevant. Trump is no longer president.

Paul 05-12-2022 18:18
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
How is it irrelevant ?

I really dont give a toss one way or the other about US politics, but I dont think things a president does become irrelevant simply because they are no longer president.

I'm sure a lot of presidents (and prime ministers ;)) would love that to be the case, but its not. :)

Mick 05-12-2022 18:38
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
It’s irrelevant because even when Trump suggested his own DOJ at the time, investigate people who bad mouthed him, they ignored him and no investigations took place.

However, several investigations have been ongoing for awhile against Trump, all instigated by Democrat supporting attorneys, specifically the ones in New York.

pip08456 05-12-2022 21:36
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36141263)
It’s irrelevant because even when Trump suggested his own DOJ at the time, investigate people who bad mouthed him, they ignored him and no investigations took place.

However, several investigations have been ongoing for awhile against Trump, all instigated by Democrat supporting attorneys, specifically the ones in New York.
Yet he is intending to be elected again and comes out with this.

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er 4, 2022 at 1:07 p.m. | UPDATED: December 5, 2022 at 11:31 a.m.

Former President Donald Trump argued for the “termination” of the U.S. Constitution after wondering whether to simply throw out the 2020 election results and declare him the winner this weekend.

“So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION?” Trump wrote on his Truth Social media platform Saturday morning, republishing again later that day.

“A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great ‘Founders’ did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections,” he continued.

I was willing to give him a chance when elected but he turned out ti be a prick!

Mick 05-12-2022 22:16
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
The re-election of Trump isn’t the topic pip.

pip08456 05-12-2022 23:34
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
Perhaps not but it shows he's a ****

Please let's remember our manners and certain rules on language.

Hugh 12-12-2022 17:34
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
1 Attachment(s)
https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...8763.199.0.pdf

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1670866306

1andrew1 19-12-2022 22:44
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
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January 6 committee recommends criminal charges against Donald Trump

Former president Trump's behaviour during the January 6 US Capitol riots has been branded an "utter moral failure and a clear dereliction of duty" by an investigating committee, who say he is "unfit for any office".

The committee investigating the January 6 storming of the US Capitol is recommending criminal charges against former President Donald Trump.

They include conspiracy to defraud the United States; obstructing an official proceeding (the certification of Joe Biden's election victory); conspiracy to make a false statement and inciting or assisting an insurrection.

The recommendation is mainly symbolic - with the US Justice Department responsible for deciding whether or not to prosecute Mr Trump.

But committee chair, Democrat Bennie Thompson, said: "We have every confidence that the work of this committee will help provide the road map to justice."
https://news.sky.com/story/january-6...trump-12771623

Mick 20-12-2022 00:49
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Don’t get too excited they’re just referrals, from the pathetic Democrat majority run committee. :rolleyes:

Made out of Russia this corrupt Democrat lot, going after political enemies.

Russ 20-12-2022 05:54
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
Yeah but fingers crossed that the orange ********** gets charged and found guilt in all counts.

Chris 20-12-2022 10:06
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36142282)
Don’t get too excited they’re just referrals, from the pathetic Democrat majority run committee. :rolleyes:

Made out of Russia this corrupt Democrat lot, going after political enemies.
While this conclusion is from a Democrat led committee, a lot of the evidence they gathered is directly from the Trump White House or other people formerly loyal to him. Having read a summary of some of the worst of it, I’d be very surprised if the DoJ doesn’t think there’s a prima facie case to answer. That means he will go on trial.

The Democrats have got everything they could reasonably have hoped for at this stage. Trump’s delaying tactics were intended to get the process dragging on into next year when a GOP-majority House could forcibly kill it. But Trump couldn’t delay it long enough and now the work is done.

While Trump is of course deserving of a fair trial, I have to say, based on the damning evidence of his direct attempts to subvert the 2020 election process, it’s a bit rich to sling accusations of corruption at those trying to bring him to account.

Mick 20-12-2022 11:15
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But Democrats denied the election results in 2016. Democrats angrily said “fight like hell” oh Capital Hill, when Trump nominated his 3rd Supreme Court pick. Congressman Raskin, who was on Jan 6th Committee, obstructed Certification proceedings, in 2016, by standing up on the floor, demanding Trump’s certification be null & void. Democrat Sheila Jackson did the same.

Some of their other rhetoric…during certain events in the Trump era.





It’s a kangaroo justice arm, with a political aim of weaponising the justice system, the Democrats are rotten to the core, who let their States turn to shit, with high crime and homelessness & high opioid drug deaths.

Hugh 20-12-2022 12:28
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https://gigafact.org/fact-briefs/do-...an-blue-states

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According to 2019 FBI data, seven out of ten states with the highest per-capita rates of violent crime voted Republican in the 2020 election. In contrast, seven out of ten states with the lowest rates voted Democrat.
https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-...murder-problem

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murder rates are, on average, 40% higher in the 25 states Donald Trump won in the last presidential election compared to those that voted for Joe Biden. In addition, murder rates in many of these red states dwarf those in blue states like New York, California, and Massachusetts. And finally, many of the states with the worst murder rates—like Mississippi, Kentucky, Alabama, South Carolina, and Arkansas—are ones that few would describe as urban.
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Eight of the top ten worst murder rate states voted for Trump in 2020. None of those eight has supported a Democrat for president since 1996.

Mick 20-12-2022 16:08
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And of those States, the they have a Democratic mayor. You must Google search harder Hugh. :rolleyes:

Anyway, noticed you completely ignored the Democratic hypocrisy, violent political speech from the Dems, obstructing certification proceedings, in 2016, denying Trump won those States, by falsely suggesting the electors were not legally registered as such. Google can’t help you with that can it? Because it happened. :rolleyes:

Damien 20-12-2022 16:42
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I am going to defend the Democrats as I think the entire American political system has lost it's mind but those accusations against Trump are serious irrespective of the existence of the Democrats.

1andrew1 20-12-2022 17:02
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36142312)
I am going to defend the Democrats as I think the entire American political system has lost it's mind but those accusations against Trump are serious irrespective of the existence of the Democrats.
Agreed.

That whataboutery from Trump's lawyer doesn't cut it with me either. It looks someone on their the last throw of the dice. It might convince the dwindling number of Trump fans but it won't sail in a court of law.

TheDaddy 20-12-2022 17:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36142307)
And of those States, the they have a Democratic mayor. You must Google search harder Hugh. :rolleyes:

Anyway, noticed you completely ignored the Democratic hypocrisy, violent political speech from the Dems, obstructing certification proceedings, in 2016, denying Trump won those States, by falsely suggesting the electors were not legally registered as such. Google can’t help you with that can it? Because it happened. :rolleyes:
How many Democrats denied donny won or obstructed the process, I remember a couple but no one, even those in their party took them seriously, don't really think the two situations are remotely comparable tbh

Mick 20-12-2022 19:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36142318)
How many Democrats denied donny won or obstructed the process, I remember a couple but no one, even those in their party took them seriously, don't really think the two situations are remotely comparable tbh
Yes they are. Debate during Certification is not allowed, they used points of order inappropriately to obstruct the proceedings. Basically denying Trump presidency, they are just as guilty.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36142312)
I am going to defend the Democrats as I think the entire American political system has lost it's mind but those accusations against Trump are serious irrespective of the existence of the Democrats.
Well I’m going to defend Republicans, (With DeSantis, Not Trump, he’s too toxic & would lose next election if he was on ticket) Democrats have gone too far left and are destroying America with their stupid woke policies.

Damien 20-12-2022 19:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36142323)
Well I’m going to defend Republicans, (With DeSantis, Not Trump, he’s too toxic & would lose next election if he was on ticket) Democrats have gone too far left and are destroying America with their stupid woke policies.
But it's not the Republicans or DeSatnis these charges are aimed at. It's Trump.

1andrew1 21-12-2022 00:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36142323)
Well I’m going to defend Republicans, (With DeSantis, Not Trump, he’s too toxic & would lose next election if he was on ticket) Democrats have gone too far left and are destroying America with their stupid woke policies.
I'm not sure you've interpreted the news article entirely correctly. This is about Trump's failings, not about those of the Republican Party or DeSantis. If Trump's bid for leadership is derailed by the charges, DeSantis and the Republicans will likely benefit.

The US economy is out-performing the UK and many other developed economies at the moment. I only wish the UK was just as successful! The Democrats (UK closest equivalent Party: Conservative) could do better, I'm sure. But they could undoubtedly do worse.

Mick 21-12-2022 18:29
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BREAKING: Trump's tax returns that Democrats fought so hard to get have been released:

2015: $31.7M loss, $641,931 paid in taxes
2016: $32.4M loss, $750 paid in taxes
2017: $12.9M loss, $750 paid
2018: $24.3M gain, $999,456 paid
2019: $4.4M gain, $133,445 paid
2020: $4.8M loss, $0 paid

jfman 21-12-2022 18:47
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Doesn’t look a very successful businessman.

Hugh 21-12-2022 20:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36142370)
BREAKING: Trump's tax returns that Democrats fought so hard to get have been released:

2015: $31.7M loss, $641,931 paid in taxes
2016: $32.4M loss, $750 paid in taxes
2017: $12.9M loss, $750 paid
2018: $24.3M gain, $999,456 paid
2019: $4.4M gain, $133,445 paid
2020: $4.8M loss, $0 paid
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/w...2024-w6fngpn6n

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Trump was the first US president in modern times to refuse to publish his tax returns upon taking office and recuse himself from business ties that might create a conflict of interest in the White House, justifying this break with tradition by claiming that he was under audit by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS).

Documents revealed by the Democratic-led House ways and means committee on Tuesday night confirmed suspicions that his claim was not true.

The IRS did not audit Trump’s returns during his first two years in office, despite a rule that should have required an inspection of the president’s financial information. In fact, the IRS only launched an audit on the day the committee first requested Trump’s returns in 2019, which triggered the three-year legal struggle as he battled in court to keep his financial records secret.

richard-john56 21-12-2022 21:11
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Donald Trump has revealed his “major announcement”, which the former president teased with great fanfare on Wednesday.

It turns out that Mr Trump is selling digital trading cards of himself.

WHAT A WACKO

jfman 21-12-2022 21:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by richard-john56 (Post 36142373)
Donald Trump has revealed his “major announcement”, which the former president teased with great fanfare on Wednesday.

It turns out that Mr Trump is selling digital trading cards of himself.

WHAT A WACKO
You think he’s bad mugs will buy them :rofl:

TheDaddy 21-12-2022 21:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36142374)
You think he’s bad mugs will buy them :rofl:
I found the price structure interesting, hopefully the authorities have noticed to...

joglynne 22-12-2022 10:42
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As I couldn't believe what I have heard about Trump's new money making efforts I decided to look up the Snopes fact check report.

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Claim:
After hyping a "major announcement" in December 2022, former President Donald Trump announced he is selling "Donald Trump Digital Trading Cards" for $99 apiece.
Snippets from the report....
Quote:
While these cards may be "licensed" by Trump, this contest is apparently unrelated to any Trump family member, Trump campaign, or Trump Organization-related business. It is sponsored by a company named NFT INT LLC:

NFT INT LLC is not owned, managed or controlled by Donald J. Trump, The Trump Organization, CIC Digital LLC or any of their respective principals or affiliates. NFT INT LLC uses Donald J. Trump's name, likeness and image under paid license from CIC Digital LLC, which license may be terminated or revoked according to its terms.

Because, however, Trump's "major announcement" was the existence of this actual sweepstake contest and associated digital image collection, the claim is "True."
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about the sweepstake. .. Unlike fan art you may see elsewhere, these are the first authorized Trump Digital Trading Cards ever created. The prizes you have a chance to win in the sweepstakes may give you a chance to interact with President Trump himself!

CollectTrumpCards.com is the only place to purchase digital trading cards officially licensed and approved by President Trump.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-trading-cards/

1andrew1 23-12-2022 09:16
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
Good to see these investigations coming to some sort of conclusion.

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January 6 committee declares Trump ‘central cause’ of Capitol attack

Final report caps months of investigation into former president’s actions in the aftermath of 2020 election

A US congressional panel said Donald Trump was the “central cause” of last year’s attack on the US Capitol, in a final report that laid out detailed evidence and offered the most damning assessment yet of the former president’s efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election.

The 845-page document released late Thursday followed an inquiry that lasted for months, triggering ire and contempt among Trump’s allies as it dug deep into his role in fomenting the violent mob that stormed the US Capitol building on January 6 2021, threatening the peaceful transfer of power.

“In the Committee’s hearings, we presented evidence of what ultimately became a multi-part plan to overturn the 2020 Presidential election,” the bipartisan panel, led by Democratic House member Bennie Thompson and vice-chair Liz Cheney, the Wyoming Republican, wrote in the report.

“That evidence has led to an overriding and straightforward conclusion: the central cause of January 6th was one man, former President Donald Trump, whom many others followed. None of the events of January 6th would have happened without him.”

The report said that Trump and some of his closest allies made multiple efforts in the weeks after Trump lost the 2020 election to Joe Biden “to “corruptly obstruct, impede, or influence the counting of electoral votes on January 6th, and thereby overturn the lawful results of the election”.

The former president publicly refused to accept his defeat even though some said he appeared to understand he had lost, the report said.

In a forward to the report, Cheney noted that some of her fellow Republicans, including Pence “along with many of the appointed officials who surrounded Donald Trump, worked to defeat many of the worst parts of Trump’s plan to overturn the election”.

But she chided those who backed Trump: “Today, I am perhaps most disappointed in many of my fellow conservatives who know better, those who stood against the threats of communism and Islamic terrorism but concluded that it was easier to appease Donald Trump, or keep their heads down. I had hoped for more from them.”
https://www.ft.com/content/1bbc60ed-...6-8b8fe93da8c5

Full report: https://january6th.house.gov/sites/d...tCommittee.pdf

Sky News: https://news.sky.com/story/donald-tr...tates-12773474

Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...-office-again/


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