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Jaymoss 25-06-2021 12:28
Windows 11
 
Ok so MS did their official announcement yesterday and it is due for release this year

I knew with end of support for windows 10 being 2025 that the release was going to be close. I thought it had to be before the end of next year but this year is sooner than I expected

Looking forward to it tbh fancy a change

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11


https://techcrunch.com/2021/06/24/mi...BR8RZRvWrOxPx3

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Just for reference I run the min req test and my PC said not compatible. This was due to TPM being disabled in the bios ( guess that was default setting maybe ) enabled it and now compatible

SnoopZ 25-06-2021 14:31
Re: Windows 11
 
Looks like i won't be upgrading to Windows 11 due to TPM and my onboard Intel 4400 graphics as my PC is too old and probably my CPU too but works perfectly fine.

Bloody ridiculous, the adoption rate will be terrible, i also ready Laptops will need to support Bluetooth 4.

Jaymoss 25-06-2021 14:50
Re: Windows 11
 
If you check out the insider preview it is letting people that do not meet the requirements to join the channels in some circumstances. So it could well be the fact it is not written in stone what will be upgradable or not

Have you checked the Bios for TPM settings?


I just jumped in on the Dev channel and installed the latest windows 10 preview ready for 11 next week

admars 25-06-2021 14:58
Re: Windows 11
 
you can try it soon, I have a couple machines using Windows 10 insider build which have been pretty much ok

https://www.theverge.com/22544024/wi...view-microsoft


https://blogs.windows.com/windows-in...of-windows-11/

SnoopZ 25-06-2021 15:18
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36084306)
If you check out the insider preview it is letting people that do not meet the requirements to join the channels in some circumstances. So it could well be the fact it is not written in stone what will be upgradable or not

Have you checked the Bios for TPM settings?


I just jumped in on the Dev channel and installed the latest windows 10 preview ready for 11 next week
I've checked the bios and can't find anything, so far my system fails for:

CPU not supported
NO TPM
No Directx12

Not a chance this thing will run. lol

Jaymoss 25-06-2021 15:44
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36084312)
I've checked the bios and can't find anything, so far my system fails for:

CPU not supported
NO TPM
No Directx12

Not a chance this thing will run. lol
laptop?

SnoopZ 25-06-2021 15:47
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36084313)
laptop?
Desktop, no plans to change CPU motherboard or graphics card as I game on PS5 exclusively.

I think MS have shot themselves in the foot and an extremely high percentage of people will stay on Windows 7 and 10 as they won't feel the need to upgrade, including alot of businesses.

Paul 25-06-2021 16:21
Re: Windows 11
 
Why on earth have they moved the start button to the middle.

That will just confuse and irritate, everyone expects it on the left.

Once again, change simply for the sake of change.

Taf 25-06-2021 16:38
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36084317)
Why on earth have they moved the start button to the middle.

That will just confuse and irritate, everyone expects it on the left.

Once again, change simply for the sake of change.
It stays there until you register your copy, then it can be moved. Odd?

nomadking 25-06-2021 17:49
Re: Windows 11
 
For older PCs (eg pre 8th Gen Intel), the MB may have a TPM connector. My Z87 MB from 2013 has one.
It may only need a BIOS setting change eg my MB(MSI Z87 GD65 Gaming).

Quote:
Trusted Computing
Sets TPM (Trusted Platform Module) function.
TPM SUPPORT [Disabled]
Enables or disables the TPM function to build the endorsement key for accessing the system
Don't know if that would work on my PC.
Link
Quote:
To resolve this issue, you just need to jump into the UEFI/BIOS—generally by hitting [Del] as your machine boots and switching it on. It shouldn't take too much tracking down, but different manufacturers do hide it in different places. On my Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master motherboard, it could be found by selecting Settings -> Miscellaneous -> Trusted Computing 2.0 and switching the Security Device Support to Enable. We also tested on an MSI motherboard with similar steps: Advanced Settings > Security > Trusted Computing.

PS:- Checked my BIOS setting and the MB needs a TPM module installed for the setting to be available.

Maggy 25-06-2021 19:17
Re: Windows 11
 
I’m not upgrading my PC just to upgrade the OS.

nomadking 25-06-2021 19:24
Re: Windows 11
 
If W10 is going to be supported for another 4 years, there isn't a big rush needed. As TPM modules are available for less than £15, it's not too big an expense if W11 is a must.

Jaymoss 25-06-2021 19:38
Re: Windows 11
 
Plus just cuz MS no longer support an OS does not mean it shoudl not be used. Just normal care and upto date security and most will be fine

Paul 25-06-2021 20:00
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36084341)
Plus just cuz MS no longer support an OS does not mean it shoudl not be used. Just normal care and upto date security and most will be fine
Exactly why many people still avoid W10 at all costs, and run W7 (or W8).

pip08456 25-06-2021 20:11
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36084351)
Exactly why many people still avoid W10 at all costs, and run W7 (or W8).
Correct, I'm still on W7 and will stay there while extended support is available. If I move to a new OS it will not be a Microsoft product.

Carth 25-06-2021 20:18
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36084351)
Exactly why many people still avoid W10 at all costs, and run W7 (or W8).
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36084354)
Correct, I'm still on W7 and will stay there while extended support is available. If I move to a new OS it will not be a Microsoft product.
That's 3 of us then :D

Paul 26-06-2021 00:13
Re: Windows 11
 
Windows 8.1 is actually still supported, until Jan 2023.

If you disable the kiddy blocks etc, and install classic menu, its much like running W7.

(I still run Windows 7, but my wife has a W8 laptop, set up as above).

heero_yuy 26-06-2021 07:32
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36084354)
Correct, I'm still on W7 and will stay there while extended support is available. If I move to a new OS it will not be a Microsoft product.
Likewise, the lappy stays on W7 and the desktop is still on XP SP3. No need to change something that is fine as it is.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. :D

Next OS will likely be a Linux offshoot.

Damien 26-06-2021 09:29
Re: Windows 11
 
If I wasn't a Mac user I would upgrade. Doesn't seem a lot wrong with the new OS, even if I find it a bit unambitious in many ways, so long as I can move the start menu back to the left.

I wonder what the TPM requirement means for VMs?

nashville 26-06-2021 18:23
Re: Windows 11
 
Think I will stay with windows 10

Jaymoss 26-06-2021 19:12
Re: Windows 11
 
read the same things every new Windows version . My hardware is relatively new and will be supported by Windows 11 and I will quite happily move to it

Mr K 26-06-2021 19:40
Re: Windows 11
 
Just upgraded from W7 to W10 at work. It'll be a decade before they try W11. Quite right too, let everyone else sort the crap out first.

Jaymoss 26-06-2021 20:37
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36084474)
Just upgraded from W7 to W10 at work. It'll be a decade before they try W11. Quite right too, let everyone else sort the crap out first.
This raises a valid issue and something I have been thinking about.

It seems to be a pattern now where software is beta tested as a sold product under the guide of early access. With them starting with the flighting release next week and soft release target of November for RTM that is only 5 months testing. I do not see how they can mass test and release a polished product in this timeframe.

That will not stop me using it but can understand those wary of it

Paul 26-06-2021 21:06
Re: Windows 11
 
They did a gradual "upgrade" at my place, as we got new laptops, they came with W10 on them.

Dave42 27-06-2021 01:04
Re: Windows 11
 
the worse thing is microsoft have made that only certain processors that will work with windows 11 gonna cuts off lots of people very bad move here link to list of processors the will work with Windows 11

Windows 11 Supported Intel Processors
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...tel-processors

Windows 11 Supported AMD Processors
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...amd-processors


very very bad move Microsoft and TPM 2.0 requiment too i am ok but still mad at them

Hugh 27-06-2021 13:18
Re: Windows 11
 
It’s not just processors, it’s motherboards as well - I have an i7-9700K processor (9th Gen), but an Asrock Z370M Pro4 motherboard, and the checker says my system won’t support Win11.

I’m assuming there’s a setting on the Motherboard where I can enable Secure Boot, so I’ll have a look for that…

Jaymoss 27-06-2021 13:19
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36084545)
It’s not just processors, it’s motherboards as well - I have an i7-9700K processor (9th Gen), but an Asrock Z370M Pro4 motherboard, and the checker says my system won’t support Win11.

I’m assuming there’s a setting on the Motherboard where I can enable Secure Boot, so I’ll have a look for that…
TPM needs to be enabled

A quick google tells me the board has a header for a TPM Module

edit again it also tells me you have it already in the bios. Look for Trusted Computing, I have an Asrock TaiChi and that is what it is called on that

Bios/ Security/ Intel Platform Trust Technology Enable

Taf 27-06-2021 13:23
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nashville (Post 36084458)
Think I will stay with windows 10
I stayed with a solid Vista machine until last year. No security updates, sites not supporting it, and software not supporting it finally made me move to a new Win10 machine.

Hugh 27-06-2021 13:30
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36084546)
TPM needs to be enabled

A quick google tells me the board has a header for a TPM Module

edit again it also tells me you have it already in the bios. Look for Trusted Computing, I have an Asrock TaiChi and that is what it is called on that

Bios/ Security/ Intel Platform Trust Technology Enable
:tu:

Thanks

Dave42 27-06-2021 13:40
Re: Windows 11
 
here a pdf link for requirements

https://download.microsoft.com/downl...ndows%2011.pdf

Taf 27-06-2021 16:45
Re: Windows 11
 
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I just used the PC Health Check and was told I need TPM 2.0.

And this was displayed......

Taf 27-06-2021 17:13
Re: Windows 11
 
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I set TPM to on and now it reports that it will run Win11. And it's a free upgrade (but for how long will the upgrade be free?)

Jaymoss 27-06-2021 18:51
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36084567)
I set TPM to on and now it reports that it will run Win11. And it's a free upgrade (but for how long will the upgrade be free?)
most likely indefinitely seeing as Windows 7 can still be upgraded free to Windows 10 even though the promotion ended years ago

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Another feature I am excited about is Windows 11 being able to run Android Apps. So far it is said Andord Apps will be available from the MS store and the Amazon Apps store but it also looks like you will be able to side load other apks too.

This is a cracking feature imo

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https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/24/2...t-amazon-store

https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/25/2...azon-app-store

pip08456 27-06-2021 20:04
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36084571)
most likely indefinitely seeing as Windows 7 can still be upgraded free to Windows 10 even though the promotion ended years ago

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Another feature I am excited about is Windows 11 being able to run Android Apps. So far it is said Andord Apps will be available from the MS store and the Amazon Apps store but it also looks like you will be able to side load other apks too.

This is a cracking feature imo

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https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/24/2...t-amazon-store

https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/25/2...azon-app-store
Bluestacks allowed android apps to be run on w7, 8.1 and 10 so no breakthrough.

Jaymoss 27-06-2021 21:13
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36084590)
Bluestacks allowed android apps to be run on w7, 8.1 and 10 so no breakthrough.
Wow I did not know that ... oh yeah I have, I have not lived under a stone

Plenty of ways of running Android on a PC Bluestacks is not the only one. I have also run Android X86 as well as Remix OS and Pheonix OS but the reveal says they run natively in the OS and hopefully nothing like the as riddled bloat box Bluestacks is

pip08456 27-06-2021 22:51
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36084603)
Wow I did not know that ... oh yeah I have, I have not lived under a stone

Plenty of ways of running Android on a PC Bluestacks is not the only one. I have also run Android X86 as well as Remix OS and Pheonix OS but the reveal says they run natively in the OS and hopefully nothing like the as riddled bloat box Bluestacks is
I only mentioned Bluestacks as an example. It has been possible to run Android apps with a few options not just Bluestacks.

I still don't see it as a reason to go onto windows 10 or 11. I'll stick with w7 for now then most likely go linux of one form or another.

Jaymoss 27-06-2021 23:25
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36084608)
I only mentioned Bluestacks as an example. It has been possible to run Android apps with a few options not just Bluestacks.

I still don't see it as a reason to go onto windows 10 or 11. I'll stick with w7 for now then most likely go linux of one form or another.
That is your choice, but for me most the people that come to me with issues use windows and I like to just be able to use the majority of software and play any game I want so Windows it is for me, plus I like to keep up with the new stuff so I will and will go into it with excitement which is my choice :)

tweetiepooh 28-06-2021 10:20
Re: Windows 11
 
Looks like I'm out of luck. My PC is only 9 years old, Core i7 720 and P6TSE mobo and runs fine. Just upp'd RAM to 18GB (fits in sets of 3).
Going to be fun dual booting various Linux's with TPM. Some are signed but some aren't and why beholden to MS.

Hugh 28-06-2021 15:01
Re: Windows 11
 
1 Attachment(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36084546)
TPM needs to be enabled

A quick google tells me the board has a header for a TPM Module

edit again it also tells me you have it already in the bios. Look for Trusted Computing, I have an Asrock TaiChi and that is what it is called on that

Bios/ Security/ Intel Platform Trust Technology Enable
As with all these things, it's never that simple... :D

On System Information, it was showing my BIOS Mode was "Legacy" and that Secure Boot State was "unsupported".

Boot disk must be GPT (mine is MBR), so I needed to convert it (used the MBR2GPT command)

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-c...efi-windows-10

Then I needed to go into BIOS to boot up from UEFI, then I needed to switch on TPM...

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-c...orm-module-tpm

And I get this - "TPM not available"

Quote:
Device Encryption Support - Reasons for failed automatic device encryption: TPM is not usable, PCR7 binding is not supported, Hardware Security Test Interface failed and the device is not Modern Standby, Un-allowed DMA-capable bus/device(s) detected, TPM is not usable
(got to walk the dog now, will dig into this later).

Jaymoss 28-06-2021 15:14
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36084649)
As with all these things, it's never that simple... :D

On System Information, it was showing my BIOS Mode was "Legacy" and that Secure Boot State was "unsupported".

Boot disk must be GPT (mine is MBR), so I needed to convert it (used the MBR2GPT command)

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-c...efi-windows-10

Then I needed to go into BIOS to boot up from UEFI, then I needed to switch on TPM...

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-c...orm-module-tpm

And I get this - "TPM not available"



(got to walk the dog now, will dig into this later).

I had issues getting secure boot enabled but got there in the end. Just waiting for 11 to come onto the Dev channel now and see if I have actually done everything I need to lol

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I have a feeling half these restrictions will be removed come RTM

Hugh 28-06-2021 15:14
Re: Windows 11
 
Yup, just went into Boot setup and enabled it in a couple of places, and it's now all hunky-dory - got the "This PC can run Windows 11" message when I ran the PC Health Check.

Thanks for all your help - much appreciated.

djmagnifique 28-06-2021 15:43
Re: Windows 11
 
In the future Windows 11 will require a webcam.


https://www.overclock3d.net/news/sof...k1RdFmGbSomNJM

Jaymoss 28-06-2021 16:41
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by djmagnifique (Post 36084654)
In the future Windows 11 will require a webcam.


https://www.overclock3d.net/news/sof...k1RdFmGbSomNJM
Not on desktops

Dave42 28-06-2021 18:50
Re: Windows 11
 
First build of Windows 11 available to Windows Insiders today
Today, we’re releasing the first preview build of Windows 11 to the Windows Insider community. In support of the Windows 11 system requirements, we’ve set the bar for previewing in our Windows Insider Program to match the minimum system requirements for Windows 11, with the exception for TPM 2.0 and CPU family/model. By providing preview builds to the diverse systems in our Windows Insider Program, we will learn how Windows 11 performs across CPU models more comprehensively, informing any adjustments we should make to our minimum system requirements in the future. We look forward to the product feedback and learnings as it’s an important step to prepare Windows 11 for general availability this year – thank you to the Windows Insider community for your excitement and feedback thus far!

so if tests go ok they might change CPU requirements

Jaymoss 28-06-2021 19:07
Re: Windows 11
 
Yep showing on mine and downloading as I type hehehehe.

I hope it boots to windows after the upgrade and allows me to play

Dave42 28-06-2021 19:12
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36084664)
Yep showing on mine and downloading as I type hehehehe.

I hope it boots to windows after the upgrade and allows me to play
on 85% install here it also available on uup dump

Jaymoss 28-06-2021 19:13
Re: Windows 11
 
Rather let it do its upgrade for now

Dave42 28-06-2021 19:28
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36084666)
Rather let it do its upgrade for now
thats what i done but made a iso from there as back up

Jaymoss 28-06-2021 19:31
Re: Windows 11
 
you could in theory just make an iso from the Windows BT folder as you are upgrading

plus pretty much no point as you are on the Dev channel version which is going to upgrade within days

Paul 28-06-2021 19:33
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by djmagnifique (Post 36084654)
In the future Windows 11 will require a webcam.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36084657)
Not on desktops
So on Laptops ?

Another reason never to use it (is if there were not enough already).

Jaymoss 28-06-2021 19:35
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36084676)
So on Laptops ?

Another reason never to use it (is if there were not enough already).
most laptops have cameras anyway now so they are all vulnerable to some sort of hack or privacy issue. On my Google Hub Max I simply fitted a stick on slider and if I had a laptop I would simply do the same as a matter of course anyway

Dave42 28-06-2021 19:57
Re: Windows 11
 
all done here all working fine :)

Jaymoss 28-06-2021 21:28
Re: Windows 11
 
Dark mode is so sexy

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Interestingly Winver shows it as Version 21H2 (OS Build 22000.51) Not altogether surprising but it does make you wonder how much of this is actually Windows 11 and how much is just a new Shell on Windows 10 for Insiders to get a taste until it all progresses further

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Start menu can be easily moved to the left.

Right click taskbar / taskbar settings / Taskbar behaviours/ and change centre to left

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I do not think the Amazon app store is on the MS Store yet guessing this maybe to early for that

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Avast keeps throwing wobblies . Just flagged Cortana. Again no shock and it is all new to it so uninstalled and sticking with Defender for now

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Multi monitor taskbars are not working properly for me. Set to show open apps on taskbar where open as well as main taskbar but only shows on main

Jaymoss 29-06-2021 13:16
Re: Windows 11
 
Having to use Display Fusion for my second screen taskbar. That feature not working is a productivity killer for me. I am sure it will soon be fixed though

Jaymoss 29-06-2021 17:02
Re: Windows 11
 
for some reason browser spell checkers are not totally working dunno if it is related or not. Had to install Microsoft Editor to get full spell checking. No biggie

Jaymoss 09-07-2021 19:42
Re: Windows 11
 
So just in case anyone is using this ( I am as main machine at present) and using Windows Defender as its AV just check it is enabled after a reboot as it has a tendency to disable itself

Dave42 09-07-2021 20:41
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36085785)
So just in case anyone is using this ( I am as main machine at present) and using Windows Defender as its AV just check it is enabled after a reboot as it has a tendency to disable itself
yes it a bug sadly hopefully get fixed soon

Jaymoss 09-07-2021 21:01
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36085791)
yes it a bug sadly hopefully get fixed soon
well obviously, it's a bug. I was just warning people as I forget to mention it here when I was putting up my other bug reports

Jaymoss 23-07-2021 17:58
Re: Windows 11
 
For those annoyed with the Context Menu Show More Options time waster then use Shift F10 instead

Dave42 31-08-2021 14:19
Re: Windows 11
 
windows 11 offically release on October 5

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexp...-on-october-5/

pip08456 31-08-2021 15:40
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36091491)
windows 11 offically release on October 5

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexp...-on-october-5/
I'll still stay on win7 while I can get updates. Then-I'm off to Linux.

Jaymoss 31-08-2021 15:46
Re: Windows 11
 
The Flighting info they have been sending out is what we are on in the Dev and Beta group are close to RTM but we still have not seen Android Apps in the Windows Store. I currently have build 168 on 2 SSDs one set to flight Dev and the other Beta. I am hoping to see the Android apps soon

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I see point 7 gives me hope

Quote:
Windows 11 comes with a new Microsoft Store rebuilt with an all-new design making it easier to search and discover your favorite apps, games, shows, and movies in one trusted location. We look forward to continuing our journey to bring Android apps to Windows 11 and the Microsoft Store through our collaboration with Amazon and Intel; this will start with a preview for Windows Insiders over the coming months.

BenMcr 31-08-2021 15:49
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36091505)
I am hoping to see the Android apps soon

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I see point 7 gives me hope
The problem with that is the Android Apps are from the Amazon App Store. You won't get any apps that are just in the Play Store, and as Google move to a new app bundle format, it'll be interesting to see how easy and cost effective it will be for companies to publish apps in two different ways in addition to two app stores

https://android-developers.googleblo...undles-is.html

Quote:
To bring these benefits to more users and focus on modern Android distribution that benefits all developers, Google Play will start requiring new apps to be published with the Android App Bundle starting August 2021. This will replace the APK as the standard publishing format.

Jaymoss 31-08-2021 15:54
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36091507)
The problem with that is the Android Apps are from the Amazon App Store. You won't get any apps that are just in the Play Store, and as Google move to a new app bundle format, it'll be interesting to see how easy and cost effective it will be for companies to publish apps in two different ways in addition to two app stores

https://android-developers.googleblo...undles-is.html
I do not foresee an issue tbh, you can sideload and there are literally billions of apks out there in the wild not on the app store you can play with.

Plus I am sure devs who want to publish on Play could easily enough put their code in an APK also

Dave42 31-08-2021 16:08
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36091503)
I'll still stay on win7 while I can get updates. Then-I'm off to Linux.
well if you got the ESU bypass you got to Jan 2023 for updates in windows 7 i am running windows 11 have been for a while no problems what so ever looking forward to official release and windows 10 is supported to aleast 2025 don't think many will go to Linux but we will see

which Linux do you prefer Pip only really tried Ubuntu and Linux mint here while they both fine they will never beat windows IMHO

Carth 31-08-2021 16:19
Re: Windows 11
 
The only Windows updates I allow anywhere near are the ones for Windows Defender. My Win 7 (SP1) is running fine & dandy, although gaming is becoming an issue . . . not necessarily due to the OS software, but due to the extravagant and expensive hardware now required to run them.

Gaming (older classics) on Linux is coming on at a nice pace, for anything else there's a PS4 or PS5 to look forward to ;)

pip08456 31-08-2021 16:32
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36091511)
well if you got the ESU bypass you got to Jan 2023 for updates in windows 7 i am running windows 11 have been for a while no problems what so ever looking forward to official release and windows 10 is supported to aleast 2025 don't think many will go to Linux but we will see

which Linux do you prefer Pip only really tried Ubuntu and Linux mint here while they both fine they will never beat windows IMHO
Yes I have the ESU bypass. Linux version I am looking at will possibly be Zorin (will be testing it though first) or pehaps mint, haven't decided yet.

https://zorin.com/os/

vincerooney 25-09-2021 23:29
Re: Windows 11
 
hearing some good things about windows 11. is everyone going to get it on 5th October?

Jaymoss 25-09-2021 23:44
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36094581)
hearing some good things about windows 11. is everyone going to get it on 5th October?
it is not being rolled out to everyone with a compatible machine on the 5th it will take a few months. You could force it or download an ISO. I assume it will be the same as with 10 and you will need to do an in place upgrade to get a digital licence but nothing stopping a clean install after

It always used to be the rule in the IT community to not upgrade an OS and tbh I still think it is better to clean install and start again after you have the licence

Dave42 25-09-2021 23:47
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36094581)
hearing some good things about windows 11. is everyone going to get it on 5th October?
it being rolled out but you be to download media creation tool to get ISO if not offered it on the 5th i been running it since first beta running very good indeed here

Hugh 25-09-2021 23:47
Re: Windows 11
 
I’ve been offered it already (Windows Insider Programme) as a regular update - thinking about it….

Dave42 25-09-2021 23:50
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36094587)
I’ve been offered it already (Windows Insider Programme) as a regular update - thinking about it….
you could always try it and roll back within 10 days if you dont like it

Jaymoss 25-09-2021 23:56
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36094587)
I’ve been offered it already (Windows Insider Programme) as a regular update - thinking about it….
I reverted my Beta Channel build to Windows 10 ready to run the upgrade so I get the licence. I also have a Dev channel build which is beyond the RC build that the Beta Channel have. Stil waiting on the Android part of it which will come to the dev channel first I believe. Disappointed it is not with us for launch

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36094588)
you could always try it and roll back within 10 days if you dont like it
I always keep disk images before I do anything like that

vincerooney 26-09-2021 00:19
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36094590)
I reverted my Beta Channel build to Windows 10 ready to run the upgrade so I get the licence. I also have a Dev channel build which is beyond the RC build that the Beta Channel have. Stil waiting on the Android part of it which will come to the dev channel first I believe. Disappointed it is not with us for launch

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I always keep disk images before I do anything like that
Ah if you do the windows insider program and get a beta version of windows 11 its not an official license?

Also what are the pros for android apps being on windows 11? I've heard about it but just wondering how ground breaking its going to be? Had twitter and whatsapp already on windows 10 etc

Hugh 26-09-2021 11:48
Re: Windows 11
 
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My notification is an icon on the bottom right hand corner of the screen which states
Quote:
Upgrade to Windows 11 is ready for your PC
And if I right click it and take the option "open Windows update", I get this screen https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1632653446

Jaymoss 26-09-2021 12:42
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36094650)
My notification is an icon on the bottom right hand corner of the screen which states

And if I right click it and take the option "open Windows update", I get this screen

is that from the Beta Channel or from Windows 10?

Quote:
Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36094595)
Ah if you do the windows insider program and get a beta version of windows 11 its not an official license?

Also what are the pros for android apps being on windows 11? I've heard about it but just wondering how ground breaking its going to be? Had twitter and whatsapp already on windows 10 etc
for me it will be to run things like TVTap, Smarterz and Cinema HD on my PC without a bloat/ad filled emulator. Plus other things like my Motorola security camera which never updated its web viewer after flash died

Hugh 26-09-2021 13:43
Re: Windows 11
 
From Windows 10

Jaymoss 26-09-2021 14:43
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36094664)
From Windows 10
you must be privileged :)

Corey N Georgie 26-09-2021 18:37
Re: Windows 11
 
I'm gonna be leaving this a few months to Iron out the bugs.

Take windows 10 even now it still has a few bugs that need to be ironed out.

nffc 27-09-2021 22:34
Re: Windows 11
 
The TPM thing is madness. I have a relatively recent Asrock board in my desktop but the TPM module wasn't enabled in the BIOS by default. Staggering logic really because if it's enabled and not being used it doesn't cause any issues but not everyone has the technical expertise to enable it.


Kinda emphasises why I'm more moving away from Windows to Macs these days, they just work better (and I get on with the OS better). If I could cram a mac with TBs of storage, I'd not use Windows again.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36094585)
It always used to be the rule in the IT community to not upgrade an OS and tbh I still think it is better to clean install and start again after you have the licence
It was up until about win7. Most Win10 upgrades are inherited W7 installs and to be honest most of them probably still function fine. W10 of course has installed a new OS on us twice a year. And most Linux distros allow an in-place upgrade as does MacOS.


It was always a Windows exception because MS couldn't ever handle the upgrade path without causing a performance nightmare. Something which they have thankfully sorted now.


Although considering it takes about 5 minutes to install a clean W10 from a USB3 drive to a fast SSD these days, it's perhaps still better...

Jaymoss 28-09-2021 00:01
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nffc (Post 36094916)
The TPM thing is madness. I have a relatively recent Asrock board in my desktop but the TPM module wasn't enabled in the BIOS by default. Staggering logic really because if it's enabled and not being used it doesn't cause any issues but not everyone has the technical expertise to enable it.


Kinda emphasises why I'm more moving away from Windows to Macs these days, they just work better (and I get on with the OS better). If I could cram a mac with TBs of storage, I'd not use Windows again.

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It was up until about win7. Most Win10 upgrades are inherited W7 installs and to be honest most of them probably still function fine. W10 of course has installed a new OS on us twice a year. And most Linux distros allow an in-place upgrade as does MacOS.


It was always a Windows exception because MS couldn't ever handle the upgrade path without causing a performance nightmare. Something which they have thankfully sorted now.


Although considering it takes about 5 minutes to install a clean W10 from a USB3 drive to a fast SSD these days, it's perhaps still better...
The main benefit in windows 10 installing is the sysprep it does automatically allowing hardware swapping including chipsets and even AMD to Intel swapping which used to just give you a BSOD

All the same rules apply though imo. Driver conflicts can still occur other software conflicts due to older software plus all the bloat you have accrued remains and some of that could even cause a conflict. Always better to clean install imo

I do keep an online catalogue of all the apps I regularly use( I do of course check for new versions it is just really for my old memory) and back up all my game saves and stuff like that so a clean install and set up is just an afternoons job where if done inefficiently can and often is for some a total night mare

Hugh 28-09-2021 10:17
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nffc (Post 36094916)
The TPM thing is madness. I have a relatively recent Asrock board in my desktop but the TPM module wasn't enabled in the BIOS by default. Staggering logic really because if it's enabled and not being used it doesn't cause any issues but not everyone has the technical expertise to enable it.


Kinda emphasises why I'm more moving away from Windows to Macs these days, they just work better (and I get on with the OS better). If I could cram a mac with TBs of storage, I'd not use Windows again.

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It was up until about win7. Most Win10 upgrades are inherited W7 installs and to be honest most of them probably still function fine. W10 of course has installed a new OS on us twice a year. And most Linux distros allow an in-place upgrade as does MacOS.


It was always a Windows exception because MS couldn't ever handle the upgrade path without causing a performance nightmare. Something which they have thankfully sorted now.


Although considering it takes about 5 minutes to install a clean W10 from a USB3 drive to a fast SSD these days, it's perhaps still better...
I had the same "opportunity" back in June when I was checking if my setup (Asrock Motherboard) was suitable/capable.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...S#post36084649

nashville 28-09-2021 12:26
Re: Windows 11
 
I am happy with Windows 10

Hugh 29-09-2021 17:07
Re: Windows 11
 
Upgraded this afternoon - took around 90 minutes, and so far, everything seems to be working (including battle.net and Call of Duty:Black Ops Cold War).

Mr K 29-09-2021 20:19
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36095154)
Upgraded this afternoon - took around 90 minutes, and so far, everything seems to be working (including battle.net and Call of Duty:Black Ops Cold War).
Never mind kids games, does 'Cricket Captain 2021' work on W11? And is Solitaire and Battle Ships included? These are deal breakers ... ;)

Jaymoss 02-10-2021 23:19
Re: Windows 11
 
VBS is borking gaming by upto 28%

Apparently, it should not be enabled by default when upgrading but maybe from a clean install and will be on OEMs

Should be able to disable the offending component of VBS (HCVI) by disabling Core Isolation is settings

https://www.pcgamer.com/windows-11-p...g-performance/

alanbjames 03-10-2021 15:32
Re: Windows 11
 
I wonder how many people will get the upgrade on the release date.

Jaymoss 03-10-2021 15:44
Re: Windows 11
 
I only went back to 10 to upgrade back to 11 to get the proper licence so I will. It is inevitable some of my clients will have issues so the upgrade will hopefully result in a pay day for me hahahaha

admars 03-10-2021 16:39
Re: Windows 11
 
tried the checker on a few of my machines, 1 pc is core 2 duo using Win 10 insider - unsurprisingly that went "nah this is too old"

2 i5s probably about 6 years old also were too old.

my work laptop is a couple of years old, that passed, but i won't be putting it on that

alanbjames 03-10-2021 18:36
Re: Windows 11
 
Will u be able to force upgrade on the 5th by downloading a media creator like u could on windows 10?

Jaymoss 03-10-2021 20:02
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by alanbjames (Post 36095707)
Will u be able to force upgrade on the 5th by downloading a media creator like u could on windows 10?
good chance but only if your system meets the requirements

Sirius 04-10-2021 06:28
Re: Windows 11
 
I have been running Windows 11 as part of the Windows Insider Program. I am now on the release version and it is running fine. I much better like the interface compared with Windows 10 which i never fully got on with.

As i am hard of hearing and need hearing aids the redesigned closed caption themes that are easier to read and customise are a bonus.

Time will tell if Microsoft have finely moved away from the good OS then bad OS cycle :)

Hugh 04-10-2021 21:32
Re: Windows 11
 
Windows 11 launches tomorrow

Today, Facebook/Instagram/WhatsApp suffer a major outage.

Coincidence?

I think not…

;)

Dave42 04-10-2021 21:51
Re: Windows 11
 
you can get windows 11 officially now here is link can download now MCT of full ISO

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows11

alanbjames 05-10-2021 12:34
Re: Windows 11
 
Right ive installed Windows 11 but i have 2 problems which i cannot find the answer to.

1 - I cannot set MP4 files to play via a default app as whatever app i look under to play back in the default app list it does not list MP4 files.

2 - When I try and view pics in a folder, I don't get icons of the pics showing up on the folder.

Jaymoss 05-10-2021 13:28
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by alanbjames (Post 36095934)
Right ive installed Windows 11 but i have 2 problems which i cannot find the answer to.

1 - I cannot set MP4 files to play via a default app as whatever app i look under to play back in the default app list it does not list MP4 files.

2 - When I try and view pics in a folder, I don't get icons of the pics showing up on the folder.
Right click on MP4 file select search for app, find the app you want to open it and click the box always open with this app ( or words to that effect)


Click View and select large icons or extra large depending on the size you want to see

alanbjames 05-10-2021 13:30
Re: Windows 11
 
Doesn't give me an option to search for an app. I can choose to open with an app each time but it wont allow me to set as a default app for that file type.

BenMcr 05-10-2021 13:33
Re: Windows 11
 
Here's how to do it in 11, it's not as easy as 10 for some reason

https://www.howtogeek.com/746203/how...on-windows-11/

Jaymoss 05-10-2021 13:39
Re: Windows 11
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by alanbjames (Post 36095938)
Doesn't give me an option to search for an app. I can choose to open with an app each time but it wont allow me to set as a default app for that file type.
right click / open with / choose another app / find app and tick the box

Just tested it and it worked and it is almost identical to windows 10

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Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36095939)
Here's how to do it in 11, it's not as easy as 10 for some reason

https://www.howtogeek.com/746203/how...on-windows-11/

This method is a PITA. I dunno why M$ did this as it is a terrible idea

alanbjames 05-10-2021 14:00
Re: Windows 11
 
I know this may sound daft but ive tried searching for MP4 to associate and it doesnt find the format.


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