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joglynne 23-06-2021 13:16
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36084134)
These Climate Crisis idiots always ignore simple facts.


That the Earth is 5 billion years old, and in that time we have had around 4/5 ice ages, and this is the major fact we are still in the tail end of the last ice age, and guess what this means, yes temperatures will rise, eventually we will hit the peak and then go back into an ice age, what will they blame that on when we enter the next ice age.
I didn't view this map as scaremongering. Or that it's publisher was a
"Climate Crisis idiot" merely rehashing the way the earth cycles through the waxing and waning of ice ages over billions of years. I took it to be more of a heads up of how this particular warming will effect us.

Millions of years ago there were no large permanent human settlements that needed to be relocated but now we have human settlements that, in some cases, house millions of people.

Surely there is case for the effects of rising sea levels to be considered, especially when we live on an island where being able to live safely around our coasts has been something we have taken for granted

Or would you rather we wait and see? I am sure that countries such as the Netherlands aren't sitting back refusing to acknowledge what is going to happen. In fact they have been actively planning for several years.
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snippet from 2019 .... “Here we’re making the dike 2 meters higher,” said Silvia Mosterd, who works for the waterschap Noorderzijlvest, one of 21 regional water boards in the Netherlands responsible for local flood controls and water quality. She climbed up a 10-meter high, muddy sea dike near the town of Delfzijl, while truck after truck dumped a mixture of sand and gravel on the dike, a foundation for the asphalt that will cover part of the dike on the sea side.
https://www.pbs.org/wnet/peril-and-p...limate-change/

1andrew1 23-06-2021 15:21
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 36084148)
I didn't view this map as scaremongering. Or that it's publisher was a
"Climate Crisis idiot" merely rehashing the way the earth cycles through the waxing and waning of ice ages over billions of years. I took it to be more of a heads up of how this particular warming will effect us.

Millions of years ago there were no large permanent human settlements that needed to be relocated but now we have human settlements that, in some cases, house millions of people.

Surely there is case for the effects of rising sea levels to be considered, especially when we live on an island where being able to live safely around our coasts has been something we have taken for granted

Or would you rather we wait and see? I am sure that countries such as the Netherlands aren't sitting back refusing to acknowledge what is going to happen. In fact they have been actively planning for several years.

https://www.pbs.org/wnet/peril-and-p...limate-change/
Agreed. Alternatively, you can put your head in the sand but you'll still get wet!

mrmistoffelees 23-06-2021 15:31
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36084134)
These Climate Crisis idiots always ignore simple facts.


That the Earth is 5 billion years old, and in that time we have had around 4/5 ice ages, and this is the major fact we are still in the tail end of the last ice age, and guess what this means, yes temperatures will rise, eventually we will hit the peak and then go back into an ice age, what will they blame that on when we enter the next ice age.

I think everyone agrees that climate change is a naturally occurring repetitive event.

The dispute is that these 'Climate Crisis Idiots' believe that the actions we are currently taking accelerate & excarebate the natural cycle.

Paul 24-06-2021 01:28
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36084158)
The dispute is that these 'Climate Crisis Idiots' believe that the actions we are currently taking accelerate & excarebate the natural cycle.
In effect, yes.

The Earth now it about as cool (overall) as it ever gets, and it was always going to get warmer.

The issue is that Humans appear to be making it happen a little quicker than would (likely) happen naturally.

Mr K 24-06-2021 07:28
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36084198)
In effect, yes.

The Earth now it about as cool (overall) as it ever gets, and it was always going to get warmer.

The issue is that Humans appear to be making it happen a little quicker than would (likely) happen naturally.
Make that a lot quicker than would naturally happen, and irreversibly out of control.

There is a difference between natural climate change over millions of years and man made over 100 years.

Damien 24-06-2021 09:33
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36084198)

The issue is that Humans appear to be making it happen a little quicker than would (likely) happen naturally.
Yes but a lot quicker. Previous periods of warming took geological generations, not human ones. I believe it took something like 10,000 years to warm by 5 c preceding the previous ice age.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36084134)
These Climate Crisis idiots always ignore simple facts.


That the Earth is 5 billion years old, and in that time we have had around 4/5 ice ages, and this is the major fact we are still in the tail end of the last ice age, and guess what this means, yes temperatures will rise, eventually we will hit the peak and then go back into an ice age, what will they blame that on when we enter the next ice age.
The earth will survive global warming. The question is what becomes of humans which is, selfishly from my point of view, the biggest concern.

We can adapt to the gradual change of natural global warming when it takes thousands of years to happen. 10,000 years ago we were only just learning about basic crops and had yet to form civilisations, give us another 10,000 years and we might well learn how to control the climate or terraform other planets.

Even if we can't giving us thousands of extra years before things go wrong is better than them happening in the next hundred years.

tweetiepooh 24-06-2021 11:03
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Bit like the pandemic - if you talk about large populations then loss of some isn't much of a problem so rising levels -> loss of some people and infrastucture -> rebalancing -> less pollution -> cooling -> back to "new" normal.
But if it's you/your community affected it's no longer just a statistic.

OLD BOY 25-06-2021 19:38
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36084202)
Make that a lot quicker than would naturally happen, and irreversibly out of control.

There is a difference between natural climate change over millions of years and man made over 100 years.
There is no proof that these changes are ‘irreversible’. That’s just the hype of the fanatics.

Earth has been much warmer than this in the past.

Damien 25-06-2021 19:44
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36084340)
There is no proof that these changes are ‘irreversible’. That’s just the hype of the fanatics.

Earth has been much warmer than this in the past.
Yes but again not whilst humans have been so populous and civilisations existed. Mass migration, the food chain disrupted, people living in conditions for which they're not adapted, new diseases and water shortages would all be some consequences we would face.

And again earth warmed much, much slower so the life that did exist would adapt over thousands of years. Not within a couple of generations.

OLD BOY 25-06-2021 19:56
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36084342)
Yes but again not whilst humans have been so populous and civilisations existed. Mass migration, the food chain disrupted, people living in conditions for which they're not adapted, new diseases and water shortages would all be some consequences we would face.

And again earth warmed much, much slower so the life that did exist would adapt over thousands of years. Not within a couple of generations.
Those who can’t take the heat will just move north! I’ll just stay put and reap the joys of a warmer climate with a bottle of wine in my garden.

Not that I’ve seen much evidence of a Spanish climate so far. Could it all be hype? :doh::Yes:

Carth 25-06-2021 20:21
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36084349)
Those who can’t take the heat will just move north! I’ll just stay put and reap the joys of a warmer climate with a bottle of wine in my garden.

Not that I’ve seen much evidence of a Spanish climate so far. Could it all be hype? :doh::Yes:
I'm ok with the warmer climate, grapes, oranges and bananas should be readily available. I draw the line at those scorpions and big bloody spiders though :shocked:

Mad Max 25-06-2021 20:23
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36084359)
I'm ok with the warmer climate, grapes, oranges and bananas should be readily available. I draw the line at those scorpions and big bloody spiders though :shocked:
Woos....;)

Hugh 25-06-2021 20:30
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36084349)
Those who can’t take the heat will just move north! I’ll just stay put and reap the joys of a warmer climate with a bottle of wine in my garden.

Not that I’ve seen much evidence of a Spanish climate so far. Could it all be hype? :doh::Yes:
We’re talking about hundreds of millions of people, not a couple of families…

nomadking 25-06-2021 20:47
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
As I've previously pointed out, a mere 9,000 years ago Devon Island in Canada within the Arctic Circle was warm enough to grow plants, and yet nowadays is covered in ice and glaciers and is too cold and inhospitable to be inhabited. That's a blink of the eye in geological terms.

GrimUpNorth 25-06-2021 20:54
Re: Climate Change - sea level rises.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36084349)
Those who can’t take the heat will just move north! I’ll just stay put and reap the joys of a warmer climate with a bottle of wine in my garden.

Not that I’ve seen much evidence of a Spanish climate so far. Could it all be hype? :doh::Yes:
Except when we melt enough of the polar ice and the fresh water disrupts the North Atlantic Conveyor, the corresponding changes to the Gulf Stream could well result in our climate becoming colder which would pretty much screw up your plans!


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