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Damien 09-08-2022 14:50
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36130691)
You obviously missed the recent CPAC polling at the weekend. Trump got 69% and DeSantis got 24% for presidential nomination preference. All recent Primaries where candidates got endorsed by Trump, all won.
That's why I said he still has a hold on the base.

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But just getting back to the main topic, the current U.S Attorney General, Merrick Garland, approved these FBI searches, who is Merrick Garland?

He was President Obama’s Supreme Court Justice Nominee in 2016, however, the Republican controlled Senate refused to hold his confirmation and his nomination expired just before President Obama left office and Trump took office, then nominating one of his own picks, Neil Gorsuch. I bet that made Garland pissed off a tad and is now, if I’m being cynical, asserting revenge. Just too convenient in my eyes.
As others are pointed out the Attorney General can't just demand a raid. This was requested by the FBI which is headed by a Trump appointee and further approved by another Trump appointee. You can't point at one person in a chain and say it was all their doing.

1andrew1 09-08-2022 14:51
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36130692)
The head of the fbi is a trump appointee iirc as is no doubt the judge who approved the warrent a republican appointee
Exactly. Shows it's not political if Trump's own appointees signed off on it. Serious stuff indeed.

TheDaddy 09-08-2022 14:58
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36130695)
Would still need approval from U.S Attorney General to search the home of a former President.
Oh yeah don't doubt he was delighted to approve it, just don't think it was anything more than that

Mick 09-08-2022 15:07
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36130698)
Exactly. Shows it's not political if Trump's own appointees signed off on it. Serious stuff indeed.
Not really.

This is in relation to National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) investigation in to records took from White House when Trump left office.

From Sky News:

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In a lengthy statement published online, the former president said his home was "under siege, raided, and occupied by a large group of FBI agents".

He wasn't there at the time, but was notified by his son, Eric Trump, who told Fox News the search warrant concerned a box of documents taken from the White House and that his father had been cooperating with the NARA over the matter for months.

This was echoed by Mr Trump himself, who said he had been "working and cooperating with the relevant government agencies".

As a result, he described the search as "not necessary or appropriate", "prosecutorial misconduct", the "weaponisation of the justice system" and "an attack by radical Democrats who desperately don't want me to run for president in 2024".

1andrew1 09-08-2022 15:19
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36130704)
Not really.

This is in relation to National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) investigation in to records took from White House when Trump left office.

From Sky News:
So the Trump-nominated Head of the FBI requests the search and Trump presents it as a Democratic political raid. I do hope he's not asking you and me to believe in such fairytales!

If he'd had any ounce of sense he would have returned the records immediately to NARA, they're not his property.

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What were the FBI looking for in Florida?

After Donald Trump's presidency ended in January last year, officials found he had taken 15 boxes from the White House to his home in Mar-a-Lago, Florida.

This investigation was launched by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), the independent US government body charged with preserving government and historical records.

After demanding he return the boxes, the NARA discovered in January this year they contained government documents, including ones "marked as classified national security information", as well as gifts, letters and mementos.

The NARA then referred the case to the US Justice Department to probe whether Mr Trump's unauthorised handling of the documents amounts to a violation of federal law.

Some of the documents in the boxes are subject to the Presidential Records Act.

Passed by Congress in wake of the 1972 Watergate Scandal, it dictates that presidential documents are not the then-president's property and should be handed over to the NARA when they leave office to be then made public 12 years later.

Mr Trump could have also potentially broken legislation on the appropriate handling of government documents while he was still in office or be charged for obstruction of justice if he was found to have been covering his tracks.
https://news.sky.com/story/why-has-t...ating-12668890

papa smurf 09-08-2022 15:25
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36130707)
So the Trump-nominated Head of the FBI requests the search and Trump presents it as a Democratic political raid. I do hope he's not asking you and me to believe in such fairytales!

If he'd had any ounce of sense he would have returned the records immediately to NARA, they're not his property.


Is it the alien files

TheDaddy 09-08-2022 15:31
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36130707)
So the Trump-nominated Head of the FBI requests the search and Trump presents it as a Democratic political raid. I do hope he's not asking you and me to believe in such fairytales!

If he'd had any ounce of sense he would have returned the records immediately to NARA, they're not his property.


https://news.sky.com/story/why-has-t...ating-12668890
He couldn't return a lot of them, he'd flushed them down the loo :shocked: :spin:

Mick 09-08-2022 15:35
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36130707)
So the Trump-nominated Head of the FBI requests the search and Trump presents it as a Democratic political raid. I do hope he's not asking you and me to believe in such fairytales!


https://news.sky.com/story/why-has-t...ating-12668890
I think you should read fairytales, given you have not read my posts. Do read them properly.

As already pointed out. Merrick Garland is the U.S Attorney General and is above the Head of the FBI. He would be one to approve the searches. His political affiliation is Democrat.

Damien 09-08-2022 15:42
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36130710)
I think you should read fairytales, given you have not read my posts. Do read them properly.

As already pointed out. Merrick Garland is the U.S Attorney General and is above the Head of the FBI. He would be one to approve the searches. His political affiliation is Democrat.
We know that but we're saying the raid was requested by an FBI headed by a Trump appointee and then further approved by a Trump-appointed Judge. This isn't as if the Democrats ordered the raid. It has people from both sides of the aisle involved.

1andrew1 09-08-2022 15:46
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
What's also interesting is what Sky News says about Garland's cautious nature.
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Biden-nominated Mr Garland is known for his caution - so Monday's developments suggest a distinct change of tone in the establishment's handling of the case.
https://news.sky.com/story/why-has-t...ating-12668890

Mick 09-08-2022 16:09
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36130711)
We know that but we're saying the raid was requested by an FBI headed by a Trump appointee and then further approved by a Trump-appointed Judge. This isn't as if the Democrats ordered the raid. It has people from both sides of the aisle involved.
Yes, and as I’ve said, final Justice Dept approval would be required by someone on an higher pay grade than the FBI Director, that is the Attorney General. This wasn’t some random persons home, it is the residence of a former U.S President, FBI Director won’t wanna have his name on any authorisation forms, should that former president decide to counter attack.

1andrew1 09-08-2022 16:25
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36130714)
Yes, and as I’ve said, final Justice Dept approval would be required by someone on an higher pay grade than the FBI Director, that is the Attorney General. This wasn’t some random persons home, it is the residence of a former U.S President, FBI Director won’t wanna have his name on any authorisation forms, should that former president decide to counter attack.
This kind of search is unusual, though. It must have been the last resort to search the premises when all other avenues had been exhausted. As such, I can't see any blowback here. Some hot air from Trump? Of course. Genuine blowback? No.

Mick 09-08-2022 16:34
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36130719)
This kind of search is unusual, though. It must have been the last resort to search the premises when all other avenues had been exhausted. As such, I can't see any blowback here. Some hot air from Trump? Of course. Genuine blowback? No.
No, it will just embolden his base further and legitimise their Deep State Narrative.

Damien 09-08-2022 16:37
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36130720)
No, it will just embolden his base further and legitimise their Deep State Narrative.
It doesn't 'legitimise' it unless something comes out that shows this was unwarranted. Trump isn't above the law. As mentioned this past several checks and balances for the raid to happen.

1andrew1 09-08-2022 17:11
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36130720)
No, it will just embolden his base further and legitimise their Deep State Narrative.
His base illegally invaded the White House! I can't see them being more emboldened than that!

It will only legitimise their deep state narrative if the search was conducted illegally. No one has demonstrated due processes were not adhered to.


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