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1andrew1

25-09-2021 09:13

Re: Panic at the Pumps

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36094412)

I heard on the radio the HGV demographic is avg age 55, white, male.

Nobody is screaming for equality and diversity in this sector though are they :rolleyes: ?

Crap money, crap hours,

If tube drivers are worth £50K +. Then maybe we will see the value of HGV drivers provide to society and the economy and treat them better.

Railways are unionised so have been able to strike collectively to get such wages. It's never been a question of anyone analysing their benefit to society and the economy and deciding to treat them better.

Maggy

25-09-2021 09:14

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36094413)

Not just Europe that these HGV drivers could come from. Think Asia, Middle East, Americas and Africa too.

As long as they fit all the criteria for safe HGV driving in the UK.They will need to pass a test or two and be aware of the Highway code etc..

Mick	25-09-2021 09:17

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36094412)

Precisely, the money was crap because of the foreign drivers, were driving down wages. Businesses took advantage for years of cheap Labour from Europe. But the Remainiacs, will continue to leech on any issue they can find to fit their pathetic and weak narrative. :rolleyes:

Mr K	25-09-2021 09:20

Re: Panic at the Pumps

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36094417)

As long as they fit all the criteria for safe HGV driving in the UK.They will need to pass a test or two and be aware of the Highway code etc..

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36094414)

You liar. We’re not seeing them here either. The media has fed a problem in to itself, a few forecourts got delivery issues, people panic buy, creating bigger problems. It’s not about Brexit FFS, as much as you pathetically want this to be. :rolleyes:

Personal experience Mick. The milk aisle in.my local Morrisons was empty recently, the reason a lack of drivers to transport milk.

nomadking

25-09-2021 09:21

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36094413)

Not just Europe that these HGV drivers could come from. Think Asia, Middle East, Americas and Africa too.

And they have a surplus of properly trained HGV drivers?

1andrew1

25-09-2021 09:27

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36094421)

And they have a surplus of properly trained HGV drivers?

There's probably not a surplus of nurses in such countries but they still come to the UK to work here for financial reasons. Why not HGV drivers too?

nomadking

25-09-2021 09:32

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36094422)

There's probably not a surplus of nurses in such countries but they still come to the UK to work here for financial reasons. Why not HGV drivers too?

There's a difference between being allowed to work in the UK(ie short term visas for HGV drivers) and being allowed to live and work in the UK and bring over several generations of family as well.

It is not a job that requires years of training such as doctors or nurses. It's not a job that is overly complicated to do.

Pierre

25-09-2021 09:37

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Originally Posted by Inactive Digital (Post 36094415)

I'm blaming the newspapers for yesterday's scenes. On Thursday BP said it had closed 'a handful' of petrol stations. Yesterday's front pages went to town on this, including The Sun's 'We're Running on Empty'. They must have known such inflammatory headlines would cause panic buying.

A good description of the situation I spotted on twitter: 'Panic buying is collectively irrational, but individually rational.'

Let everybody fill up yesterday, they’ll have nice full tanks but not go anywhere. I’ll go fill up mid-week when all the forecourts will have tumble weeds blowing through them.

Sephiroth

25-09-2021 09:41

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36094424)

Let everybody fill up yesterday, they’ll have nice full tanks but not go anywhere. I’ll go fill up mid-week when all the forecourts will have tumble weeds blowing through them.

… rather than fuel flowing through them, perhaps. Couldn’t resist even if unlikely.

Mick	25-09-2021 09:49

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36094419)

There are proposals to make to HGV test simpler.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-58487347

Am tempted to have a go for £53k... Reversing isn't my strong point mind....

---------- Post added at 09:20 ---------- Previous post was at 09:19 ----------

Personal experience Mick. The milk aisle in.my local Morrisons was empty recently, the reason a lack of drivers to transport milk.

Hello? There is lack of drivers World Wide, except in Africa. Didn’t realise every other country left the corrupted EU. :dunce:

1andrew1

25-09-2021 10:12

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36094423)

If it's worth their while financially, drivers will come from around the world to work here but with the UK at full employment levels, we may need to make their stay permanent whilst we train the next generation of male and female drivers.

As Pierre touches upon, we should also try to make HGV driving more attractive to women thus expanding the potential pool of drivers.

Taf	25-09-2021 10:16

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Almost mile long queues in both directions to get to our local Tesco petrol station at 10:30 yesterday evening. Through traffic was unable to squeeze past. It had been that way most of the day.

Drivers got all the way to the petrol station to find a small notice saying that it was closed for repairs!

mrmistoffelees

25-09-2021 10:18

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We have a perfect storm with multitudes of issues, however,
Britain leaving the EU exacerbates the issue as we were unable to use overseas labour to fill the gaps that we need something that other countries are able to do.

https://trans.info/en/eu-report-reve...ruckers-226234

Even if we can get 50,000 drivers through their tests it’s not the end of the problem. There’s individual load requirements to be considered.

Boris made a sensible decision yesterday with the visa change. This will hopefully buy us the time we need.

Imho This isn’t a pay issue, it’s a conditions issue. Conditions aren’t about to change due to the nature of the role.

Jaymoss

25-09-2021 10:22

Re: Panic at the Pumps

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36094436)

We have a perfect storm with multitudes of issues, however,
Britain leaving the EU exacerbates the issue as we were unable to use overseas labour to fill the gaps that we need something that other countries are able to do.

https://trans.info/en/eu-report-reve...ruckers-226234

Even if we can get 50,000 drivers through their tests it’s not the end of the problem. There’s individual load requirements to be considered.

Boris made a sensible decision yesterday with the visa change. This will hopefully buy us the time we need.

Imho This isn’t a pay issue, it’s a conditions issue. Conditions aren’t about to change due to the nature of the role.

But an attractive wage makes suffering the poor conditions more tempting

mrmistoffelees

25-09-2021 10:25

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It’s hardly a badly paid job especially when you consider the pay vs location.

https://uk.jobted.com/salary/hgv-driver

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