Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36077195)

Looks like it's happening! Clubs will still play in their own country's league.

https://www.ft.com/content/4cbef20a-...a-2af383bd0f5a
https://news.sky.com/story/european-...tands-12279432

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36077232)

If you look at the English clubs mentioned, you'll see that most of them haven't won anything in years . . they do however have rich owners and nice big modern stadiums in which to host 'big' games.

Funny that eh :D

Originally Posted by iadom (Post 36077233)

City, Liverpool, Chelsea, United...how many years are you going back? ;)

Originally Posted by iadom (Post 36077231)

Might be another bluff for the ‘big clubs’ to get a bigger slice of the pie? Sadly the FA, UEFA and FIFA are pretty useless and in certain dealings downright corrupt so do only have themselves to blame.

I for one would not renew my United season ticket if this actually comes into being.:(

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36077246)

I would be interested to see what Sky and BT have to say on the matter. ;)

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36077246)

I would be interested to see what Sky and BT have to say on the matter. ;)

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36077248)

I think whatever is said, it will start with "we are prepared to offer . . "

Once all that's done, it will be over to us, and what we are prepared to pay ;)

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36077235)

How many years of pretty constant success would make a club 'big'?

One premiership champions in 10 years?
One cup in 5 years?
Nothing in 30 years for Spurs :rofl:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36077256)

I wonder what Mourinho thinks about the new league? he's just been sacked from Tottenham.
https://www.skysports.com/football/n...tenham-hotspur

Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36077258)

I think it might mean we see less football on TV or online.

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36077262)

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36077277)

To link it in with a running thread along the forum it gets round the problem of a global media company getting pan-European (or worldwide) rights to a major league in one go.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36077278)

One for either of those two global power houses DAZN or Eleven Sports to snap up. :D:D:D

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36077257)

Apparently he refused to take the team out to the training ground.


This could cost him the £30m sacking payout.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36077195)

Clubs will still play in their own country's league.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36077322)

That is by no means certain

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They should be kicked out of their domestic leagues, and not allowed to compete in any other competition.

Then the whole thing will just collapse in on itself.

They are trying to replace the champions league. The Premier league is still their bread and butter and like any greedy get, they still want their bread and butter. But they don’t want the winners of the bread and butter to have any cake. They have the cake guaranteed.

Kick them out of the premier league, and see how their fans, home and away fans, enjoy travelling to either the North West of England or Italy or Spain every other week to watch your team.

Kick them out of the premier league it’s the only way.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36077382)

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36077390)

As of this evening it’s unclear whether the governing bodies actually have the power to sanction the players in the way that has been threatened. It would amount to a denial of their right to work. If there isn’t a basis in legislation such action could be unlawful. At worst it could be outright illegal.

If the powers the governing bodies need are unclear, the government has to get involved, because that is the only way to put legislation before parliament quickly enough.

PM on Radio 4 is reporting that Boris thinks there *might* be sufficient legislation in place already to allow the relevant governing bodies to block this, but if it turns out there isn’t, he is prepared to legislate. The question is what happens in the grey area between sports and competition legislation.

Also, you know the excreta has impacted upon the air circulation system when Radio 4 news leads on a sports story.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36077393)

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36077393)

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36077399)

As the Bosman ruling showed some of the football rules are inherently incompatible with the EU.

Essentially the authorities act as semi-closed cartels, collective bargaining for media rights and some sponsorship. A blind eye has been to some extent turned, and football clubs have never really challenged it due to the threat of being kicked out.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36077401)

The clubs can't exist in isolation, which means things like media rights would be complicated.
Most, if not all sports operate in a similar manner.
The Bosman ruling was about the specific situation where a player's contract had come to an end.
Link

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36077402)

Being reported that Chelsea are currently drawing up the paperwork to withdraw from the ESL.

I wonder who the ESL have as a reserve?

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36077414)

Looks like the whole thing is off and that Ed Woodward has resigned at United

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36077416)

Well lads it was nice to be in a thread where we all shared the same position. :)

Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36077415)

Every cloud has a silver lining for Manu fans then :D

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36077405)

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36077405)

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36077438)

Liverpool has now left, as at 10:55pm.

https://twitter.com/LFC/status/1384626759518261251

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 36077439)

In theory you are partly right. These clubs *are* members of an association and are free to leave that association.

However, whether we like it or not, Football is a major part of UK culture. Although it sometimes seems they aren't bothering, one of the government's many jobs *is* to protect that culture.

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36077443)

There are 2 or 3 big names that resigned from high positions in the European football world so they could be chairmen etc of the new ESL . . . wonder how they feel now ;)

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36077442)

Good.

Despite being under foreign ownership, Liverpool has been very successful at fostering an image of being close to the fans. But Fenway must truly have a tin ear to have thought LFC fans would have applauded this, and once the fans, the players and even Klopp came out against it they really had no choice. To press ahead would have been to needlessly alienate a lot of people.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36077444)

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36077444)

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36077416)

Well lads it was nice to be in a thread where we all shared the same position. :)

Originally Posted by iadom (Post 36077424)

RESULT. :cool:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36077444)

There will be those who might challenge the notion that football is a major part of UK culture. I know what you mean but I don't think it runs that deep.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36077444)

There will be those who might challenge the notion that football is a major part of UK culture. I know what you mean but I don't think it runs that deep.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36077450)

<cough cough>

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/n...and-s-heritage

Or do you mean like our culture was submerged by the Normans?

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36077464)

If this is what you believe, then it's your connection to reality that doesn't run that deep.

I'm not a passionate football fan by any means, but in every workplace I've ever had, and every social setting I've ever been a part of, I have always come across plenty of people who at least have a view, probably will name 'their' team, and in some cases eat, sleep and breathe the sport.

I think your problem may be lack of familiarity with the working class part of British culture where the most passionate part of football's fan base is to be found. There are households where the season ticket is a family heirloom.

The sport may not matter to you, and obviously that's fine - but don't confuse 'things that aren't important to me' with 'things that aren't important.'

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36077465)

Most people would know what I mean when I say that our culture will be submerged by others in the fullness of time.

Heritage and culture are different things.

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Did Hugh write that piece for you?

My Spurs season ticket has passed down the family. Doesn't mean it's part of the (diminishing) culture surrounding me.

Thigs of 'importance' are not necessarily matters of 'culture'.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36077450)

<cough cough>

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/n...and-s-heritage

Or do you mean like our culture was submerged by the Normans?

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36077465)

My Spurs season ticket has passed down the family. Doesn't mean it's part of the (diminishing) culture surrounding me.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36077470)

Agreed - "cultures" evolve.

But off-topic, so let’s celebrate the collapse of the ESL.

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36077515)

I cannot comprehend how these clubs thought it was a good idea, or that fans would support it. :confused:

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36077535)

Some fans (including the 6) say the 6 clubs still should be deducted points.

Originally Posted by iadom (Post 36077537)

Just received this cringing Open Letter from Joel Glazer.:D

To all Manchester United supporters,
Over the past few days, we have all witnessed the great passion which football generates, and the deep loyalty our fans have for this great club.
You made very clear your opposition to the European Super League, and we have listened. We got it wrong, and we want to show that we can put things right.
Although the wounds are raw and I understand that it will take time for the scars to heal, I am personally committed to rebuilding trust with our fans and learning from the message you delivered with such conviction.
We continue to believe that European football needs to become more sustainable throughout the pyramid for the long-term. However, we fully accept that the Super League was not the right way to go about it.
In seeking to create a more stable foundation for the game, we failed to show enough respect for its deep-rooted traditions –promotion, relegation, the pyramid – and for that we are sorry.
This is the world’s greatest football club and we apologise unreservedly for the unrest caused during these past few days.
It is important for us to put that right.
Manchester United has a rich heritage and we recognise our responsibility to live up to its great traditions and values.
The pandemic has thrown up so many unique challenges and we are proud of the way Manchester United and its fans from Manchester and around the world have reacted to the enormous pressures during this period.
We also realise that we need to better communicate with you, our fans, because you will always be at the heart of the club.
In the background, you can be sure that we will be taking the necessary steps to rebuild relationships with other stakeholders across the game, with a view to working together on solutions to the long-term challenges facing the football pyramid.
Right now, our priority is to continue to support all of our teams as they push for the strongest possible finish to the season.
In closing, I would like to recognise that it is your support which makes this club so great, and we thank you for that.

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36077554)

I remember (way back) when Man Utd were a club in profit every year, and then the Americans moved in :shocked:



*strange thing When posting that, I had a vision of Gordon Hill scoring direct from corners . . . he was a player that lad ;)

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36077416)

Well lads it was nice to be in a thread where we all shared the same position. :)

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36077570)

Quite right. Now let's have a couple of verses of Silent Night, then get back in the trenches.

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36077753)

. . and you can stand safely instead of herded into block seating, there's no long queue at the toilets, and you get proper mugs of tea not plastic tasteless stuff :D

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36077755)

Indeed! :) Though I suspect 95% of Premiership 'supporters' don't leave the sofa.