Is it time to leave the UK?
 

So here is the question...


Is it time to leave the UK?




We have energy costs spiraling through the roof, most of us haven't had a pay rise in decades, and even if you have had a pay rise, it is often not a pay rise as it is not keeping up with inflation.

People are getting poorer every day. The middle class family man that works hard all week gets no help. They will become the homeless poor people of tomorrow.


Food prices have gone up dramatically.


The NHS is at breaking point.


Our government is in ruins. And currently it is all about the ritch getting ritcher. Any help whatsoever is very narrowly focussed.

Banks have become too greedy. Gone are the days when an ISA was actually a good way of saving money.




Is it time to ditch the UK?

If so, where would you go?




It certainly isnt a good time right now.

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We are at the centre of world time, world finance and the world’s most widely-spoken language, with a reputation for stable government and society. The territory hasn’t been successfully invaded in centuries.

It is very fashionable, especially on the British Left, to whine about what a dreadful place this is, but don’t let self loathing and short sightedness sway you. This is one of the great places to live on Earth, regardless of whatever transient issues we have right now.

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Yet ironically people who live here reap almost none of the benefits of the above.

I’d argue that the self loathing on the right far outweighs that on the left. Constantly pining for a nostalgic past that never genuinely existed. Believing more in the myth of what this country used to be than actually what it was - a parasite on the rest of the world.

The only thing left to exploit is the people here hence the need to invent the bogeyman of the immigrant, the Brussels bureaucrat, to distract from reality.

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The UK is indeed a wonderful place and you would think that as a modern country we would have low poverty and a great way of life. But the reality is it is far from that.


People are now having to choose what they spend to ensure they can feed their children, many will die from not being able to heat their homes.....The list goes on.


Young people are in even more debt than ever before....Universities are making millions promising super paid jobs, council taxes keep rising, etc.
Millions of people will never get on to the property ladder.




And talking of governments, there hasnt been a stable government for a long time. Neither left or right are getting it right.



There was a time when a young person had lots to look forward to with progression and gaining higher salaries as they get older, owning a home, etc.

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"the grass is always greener"

my guess is, in each other "more desirable" country, there is a forum with someone saying "is it time to leave, X looks better" ;)

For example, Oz and NZ are often desirable countries for ppl to go to, if you have the points, I know ppl who went there years ago, have no desire to come back, I know ppl who went there, after a year or so came back. I also know Australians and New Zealanders who have come here with no desire to go back.

I also know Polish, German, and other Europeans who have settled here, and despite Brexit, are happy here still. Some came here as a couple, and have since had children here, others came here single, and met their partners here and have started families, so going back would be a massive undertaking, and maybe they have discussed going back, but they don't seem in any rush to.

However that's anecdotal, the next poster may say they've lost 1/2 their workforce as they've gone home, and there were stories that a lot of manual workers, fruit pickers etc had returned home, but I wonder if there's a lot of Brits abroad who have come back for similar reasons?

Better the devil you know?

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Ironically, it is naïve exceptionalism like this that is the major cause of the broken country we now have. We know who did it, we know how they did it and we know why they did it. It is a bit like the fruitless search for Brexit benefits: "Well, we haven't been invaded for centuries?" is one of the best reasons they can come up with. Desperate stuff.

The delusion of "transient issues" and the denial of the root causes behind them will just accelerate the decline. The poetic irony is that you can't now leave the UK as you once we're able to do, even if you wanted to :(

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I got thinking about that final point during the afternoon. I do wonder if this was by design to prevent ‘brain drain’ just as East Germany put up the Berlin Wall. If the current trajectory of having among the largest economic decline and fall in living standards among developed nations - and a seeming absence of political will to reverse the decline - it’s not difficult to see how some might seek to move to a country with genuine pride in itself, a developed culture and identity, and importantly without a neurotic hangover from who it used to be.

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So the large numbers of unemployable dross should be given large sums, just so they aren't in poverty?
The average income would go up, so using the nonsensical definition of poverty, they would still be in poverty.

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Neither our economic decline nor the fall in living standards have anything to do with the definition of poverty.

‘Large numbers of unemployable dross’ - exactly what you expect to be climbing over as you exit a major railway station as you think to yourself this is one of the great places on Earth to live :rofl:

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The definition of poverty is such that if a loaf of bread goes up to £100 a loaf, the number in poverty is unchanged. How ludicrous is that?

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You seem nice… :erm:

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I think you are crediting those behind this debacle with more intelligence that they deserve. The really interesting part are the demographics in play: no one born in this millennium voted for the current situation we're in but they are the generation who are/will be bearing the full cost of this tragedy. The ongoing demise of the generation who sold their birth right and the rise of Gen Z will define the choices of the next decade. One thing is for certain is that the Tory Party in its current incarnation is extinct. Liz Truss is the last of her evolutionary line: a true dinosaur in political terms.

One can only hope that the next choices we make as country start to remodel the "trickle up" economy and engenders a "we" mentality rather than a "me" mentality.

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The sad thing is that some people are better off claiming benefits and doing less work than if they had a job.
We need to be addressing this issue instead of throwing millions of pounds away. People know they can abuse the system and they are doing it.


And it is not just the poor doing it. My local MP is throwing millions into projects that benefit him and hardly no one else. Splashing money away without taking onboard any public views.

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My feeling is that it is better to go somewhere rather than "running away" from somewhere.


If you are in the former you are going to a place you want to go to and have researched and planned. You are doing a positive and that's far easier to sell to family and friends and you will have worked out your support network in your new home.


In the latter you too often find you take the same problems you have to a new location. You are still you.

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That is so right, tweetie. If you are focussed on doing well and you are organised in your approach, you won’t go far wrong.

The whiners amongst us will complain no matter what and will never succeed.

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Oh diddums, what a pathetic lot of vitriol. My generation, on the whole, has faced many difficulties over the years and have risen above it and succeeded in life. This is despite high interest rates that nearly got the better of those who had saved up to get mortgages during the seventies, eighties and nineties they could barely pay.

You talk about the older generation as if they had special privileges, so why am I seeing my daughters doing just as well or better, and other people they went to school with doing well for themselves as well?

If you have a negative approach to everything and you are constantly feeling jealous of people who have more than you, you will never, ever succeed.

I am proud to live in this country. I don’t hark back to our former empire as people like you like to believe because I didn’t live through it and I have no desire to take over and enslave other countries.

I used to want to live in the US, but now I’m older, this does not seem such a desirable move. When I look around, I see that this must be the best place to live and others seem to agree because they all want to come here.

So, sorry, I cannot agree with your depressing view of it all and can only suggest that you emigrate if things are that bad in your opinion, but don’t just sit there at your computer moaning about everything. That will achieve nothing, I’m afraid.