Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Djokovic out on his arse. anti vaxxer should be given no quarter. thoughts?

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If your chosen profession/trade means you tour the world (or country), then in times of a global pandemic you either get vaccinated or stay at home.

Same goes for footballers on £500k a week :Yes:

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Story link here

Seems to be a visa problem rather than covid related.

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Yes his visa problem is his vaccine exemption is questionable...

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Applied for the wrong visa apparently, shame eh :D

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According to Al Beeba:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-59884038

… no doubt HMAG will now say had he asked for a vaccine-exemption visa, he’d have been turned down.

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He never should have had the exemption in the first place but I also hope he now kicks up a fuss so we can see who granted it. I suspect the Government gave him a pass then tried to find a way to backtrack after the public outcry.

Plus it's unfair to tell him he can come in, let him get on the plane over, then deny him at the last moment in the border.

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It may well be unfair but my sympathy is extremely, extremely limited for a prominent anti-vaxxer.

Australia have asked Australians abroad to remain there for some time for the health of those at home. The “sports” exemption for entry raised it’s head last year; so could be reasonably anticipated.

I don’t see anything positive to “hope” for in the interests of Novak Djokovic.

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Wow, Im agreeing with jfman, what is happening ..... :erm:


:D

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We are obviously in an alternative reality as I agree with him too.

Frightening!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Well in a hotel website bills it as a "luxurious 4.5-star hotel set in a prime location. (doesn't have a tennis court though, so that is definitely inhumane....)
They should check IQ and vaccination status as they seem to be linked...

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Yes i have heard that 3 jabs can double ones IQ to 6 :)

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:D

2022 is starting off stranger than 2021, but this time in a good way!

I add to my agreement with you, jfman and everyone else on this issue.

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Nope, I'm not having any of that stuff here, if everyone agrees with everyone else it gets boring and mundane far to quickly.
How can I be drawn into a debate that's not a debate?

I hereby withdraw my initial plea, and now think Novak Djokovic is brilliant (I have 3 of his albums) and should not only take part in the Australian Open, but should be signed by Chelsea and also nominated for an Oscar :PP:

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seems this story is taking another turn. link HERE

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C’mon - you should take any help you can get… ;)

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Like you have?;)

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Good news! :tu:

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this is just a ploy to get an ozzy no hoper to win the tennis tournament.

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Any chance we could adapt the idea for English Cricket?

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Lock up the opposition ?

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You've taken that too far, wouldn't matter who the opposition was....:D;)

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I’m sure normal service will resume shortly.

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NoVax Djokovic is now GoBac Djokovic :D

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:rofl:

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No vak Djokovic. The clue is in the name.

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Good grief - the man is overpaid to bash a ball with the gut of a cat. His absence really isn't so important that a nation will overturn a whole set of rules and regulations put it place to maintain public safety.

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Agreed, Hopefully on Monday he is dragged on to a plane out of Oz

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Patrick McEnroe, posted a letter on Twitter, it stated that for a medical exemption it had to be submitted by the 10th, 6 days before he tested positive and still carried on as normal.


He was seen at an event on the 17th.


Slam dunk for an immediate deportation.

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If he had any sense (which seems debatable) he would just leave anyway.
Hes already made himself look a complete pratt, and each day makes it worse.

If he were somehow able to get his visa, it wont go down well, and will likely cause trouble at the event.

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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1641763612


…..

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Australian style immigration system v Australian style border controls…………

Close but no cigar.

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How on earth is Farage involved with a dispute between a Serbian tennis player and the Australian border force?

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The Australian Border Force are part of the Australian immigration system, under the remit of the Home Affairs department - they ensure compliance with, and enforcement of, the immigration system and policies.

https://www.lexology.com/library/det...4-276ac36f04ef https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2022/01/1.gif

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No Hugh.

“Border Force” I’m sure are there to implement ”immigration policy” not set it.

Farage, was advocating an Australian style immigration policy, not their border enforcement controls.

Hope that helps?

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I dont think he's trying to emigrate to Australia.

As to Farage, hes just using it for publicity I expect.

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Wow, that bit of wall, Nige's trousers and his teeth are all the same colour...

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Can’t see his teeth, you’ve got good eyes.

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No one (except you) suggested they set it - they ensure compliance with it.

Pretty sure enforcement is part of the policy.

Hope that helps…

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Aaaaannnnnd he's won the appeal

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Some of the country and worlds foremost experts disagree with you but I'll be sure to pass on your opinion to them

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Glad he’s won his appeal. The judiciary is the last line of defence when it comes down to common sense. Tyranny led mandates go against the basic concept of freedom of choice and human rights.

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Looks like he's won because they deemed it unfair to grant him the visa then cancel it. Be interesting to see if he plays now, certainly going to be the least popular player out there.

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It could still be overturned, it’s not over yet.

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Saying on the BBC now that he's been arrested??? Saying the immigration minister might have decided to stick 2 up at the judge and just deport him (and automatically ban his return for 3 years!!)

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That's the only way a local is going to win the tennis title.

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About as much as it usually doesn't .

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I wonder if the Australian government is seen as not being above the law, in a similar way to how the UK one is?

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There is human rights and then there is being a total plonker.
The world does not revolve around him and he should be made to comply just like anyone else.


Fair enough if he chooses a vaccine or not but then he should be prepared for the consequences. He cant go wherever he wants and therfore put others at risk.

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I'm sorry the worlds foremost experts disagree that you have good eyes.

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It will be part of the culture wars. I suspect GB News presenters will largely take Djokovic's side and play up the underdog/being punished theme.

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My cousin has lived in Oz for over 45 years, public opinion is send him home.


So the government is now going to possibly use it executive powers and deport him, as is there right.

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Interesting
https://news.sky.com/story/novak-djo...court-12512779

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I believe that would actually grant him an exemption anyway?

But the problem is there are pictures of him attending public events without a mask the day after his claimed positive test. So there is a question of it that was actually a positive test or if he just thought screw and attended whilst positive which isn't a great look.

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The old chestnut that it is only the unvaccinated pose a threat of transmission. Have to clarify this yet again. There is no distinction between vaccinated and the unvaccinated. Both can catch Covid and both pose a risk of transmission.

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I agree Mick, but people argue that the risk of vaccinated people transmitting it to others is reduced . . . as evidenced by the 141,172 new cases reported yesterday :rolleyes: :rofl:

I wonder who's giving it to them? ;)

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What Carth said ^
It doesnt stop it, but it reduces the risk.

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My post was a little sarcastic on how much it does reduce the risk considering an average of 85,000 new cases daily and around 65% of the population having at least one jab and over 80% having had 2 jabs ;)

Unless of course 90% of the new cases are Covid being passed on by the unvaccinated among us . . . any stats for that anywhere?

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We're talking about Omnicron though which seems to have the strongest vaccine evading ability we've seen since the original pandemic. We saw a much stronger drop-off in COVID numbers after the initial vaccine rollouts.

Vaccines obviously reduce (not eliminate) the chance of spreading COVID because it reduces the chances of you getting it at the very least. Fewer people catching COVID means fewer people with the ability to spread COVID. If the vaccine reduces how long it takes to recover that also reduces the time in which you're infectious.

It's all academic though because the Australian Health Authorities believe it does reduce the risk and has taken the decision to reflect that in their border controls. It doesn't really matter if a professional tennis player thinks they know better than them.

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Only 141,172 new cases reported yesterday

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Yes but as I said we already know that Omicron has a significant ability to evade the vaccine. The strain against which the vaccine was developed had a significant drop-off in cases after the rollout.

The studies do show this as well: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/2315...mission-delta/

That study is actually about people who are already infected though.

We have real data now given it's been a year that vaccines can stop you catching COVID: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...uk/october2021

That study does show Delta was reduced from Alpha and no doubt Omicron will be less than that given the case numbers but it is unlikely to be 0%.

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So what we're looking at, in the case of Djokovic (and others), is that having a jab doesn't help much?

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We don't know precisely how much it helps. The vaccine we have now almost certainly helps less than it did against Delta and Alpha but given what we know about those two strains it's probably less effective rather than not effective. The only thing they seem sure of at the moment, which we're seeing in the fact ICU numbers are not going up anywhere near as much as cases, is that they at least are still holding up very well against serious illness.

So you could argue that whatever reduction in transmission afforded by the vaccine against Omnicom is not worth the restrictive border control rules. I think international travel should be loosened now. If people have had the vaccines that prevent serious illness then we need to get on with life rather than worry about stopping a virus that's here to say.

But I, you and Djokovic don't get to decide this. I went to Europe recently and I obeyed the rules of the country I visited and then the rules to come back (flow test to depart, PCR when I came back). I didn't turn up at the EU border and tell them to stuff their vaccine, stuff their tests and to let me in. Then again I haven't won 20 grand slams.......(yet)

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It helps quite a bit…

https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o5

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One thing that is is now know is that 3 jabs protects you until you catch the rona :erm:

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It's purely down to self protection. The vaccines only reduce the potential for serious illness and hospitalisation.

If you don't want the vaccine then the only person you are potentially hurting is yourself.

It is claimed that vaccination reduces transmission but there is no data about that in regards to omicron, and considering the high level of vaccination in the UK and the subsequent record levels of infection I would argue transmission levels are not reduced or not by very much.

If the vaccine was a secure vaccine that stopped infection, transmission and illness - then you might have more solid ground to persuade people to take the vaccine but at the moment if you're a fit, not over weight, young-ish person with no other health issues not wanting to take the vaccine is a perfectly reasonable position to take.

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I rather enjoyed Andy Murray’s response to Farage on Twitter.

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However, Murray has been shut down in his argument by talkRADIO presenter Julia Hartley-Brewer.

She tweeted: "What an extraordinary - and factually wrong - tweet from Andy Murray.

"Nigel Farage simply campaigned for control of our borders - and the majority of voters agree with him.

"Stick to the tennis, mate."

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Murray tweeted: "Please record the awkward moment when you tell them you’ve spent most of your career campaigning to have people from Eastern Europe deported."

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...Novak-Djokovic

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-59934070

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And Farage's reply... "Dear Andy, you clearly don't understand politics or the Brexit campaign but are filled with prejudice.

Concentrate on the tennis and, a word of advice, crack a smile every now and again. :) "

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Andy Murray's tweet is misguided and has no correlation to what Nigel Farage campaigned on. Nigel's was about the UK border and not having a free for all open door policy and wanted and still wants curbs on undocumented migrants and illegal immigration.

Djokovic's was an issue of him being granted a visa, so was legal entry and then having it unilaterally revoked on political grounds, tinged with prejudice on medical grounds.

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Pretty sure Nigel (and others) once wrote a letter to a non-U.K. politician stating he should keep out of our politics…

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a6936066.html

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We could argue that if we are talking about Sovereignty, Nigel Farage, you and I share the same "Sovereign" for her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II is Australia's Head of State and are part of the British Commonwealth, even though they Independently self govern, they share many British traditions and fundamentally has the Union Jack in it's flag.

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The way it's going not for much longer. The one thing we had was the Royal Family and they're a shambles. Once QE2 is gone, suspect Aus will call it a day.

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It didn't cross his mind the dour scot was joking then, what is it with these right wing nutters, everything is a laugh and a joke until it's directed at them, then their skin becomes very thin indeed

With a bit of luck we'll call it a day to then and do away with this outdated institution

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Yeah sure, because some people on the far left, never get offended, become all woke, demand things, it and everything that boils their blood.to be cancelled. :rolleyes:

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Very Farage..

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If that happens this country will be poorer, as the visitors will plummet.


The Royal Family bring in more money than most other events.

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Your argument is tired and irrelevant, much like them, as the Palace of Versailles gets more visitors. Besides which I thought these type of decisions weren't based on being poorer but you know, on feelings

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Two cheeks of the same arse for me, extreme cultist fanatics of any flavour don't interest me at all

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and again. you couldnt write the script. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-59935127

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Aside from breaking quarantine rules, he also made "mistakes" on his immigration forms.

In short, he lied about his travels, then tried to blame his agent.

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LOL ...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-59964598

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OUT!

I hope someone uses that as a headline in the print media.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ster-australia

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Over the last few days while Alex Hawke (Minister for Immigration) has been dithering over cancelling the visa I was hoping one of the papers would do an opinion piece with the headline 'New Balls Please'

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In out, In out, shake it all about, you do the Djokey Kokey.

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Lol. I wonder if the hotel is trolling him by playing this album in the lobby?

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Novisa Djokevict…

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Well if he retires from tennis, he already seems to have the basic attributes for a successful role in politics ahead of him. :D

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-59991762