Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36088619)

My curent car (colt CZ1) is listed as being able to use this fuel and although my Metro GTi 16v isn't listed the Landrover Discovery uses the same engine (Rover's K series) and is listed as accepting the petrol.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36088620)

I have a 20year old Jeep Wrangler as a 3rd car, so looks like I'll be having to fill it up with Super Unleaded.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36088621)

Would love to see pictures of the GTi !!!!! very jealous !!!

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36088620)

I have a 20year old Jeep Wrangler as a 3rd car, so looks like I'll be having to fill it up with Super Unleaded.

The wife has a Ford mustang so I think I'll be advising her to use Super Unleaded too.

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36088626)

Here we go again, making things worse while attempting to make things better.

Who's behind this latest one? Is it petrol companies, car manufacturers, the Govt, environmental activists, Disney?

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36088632)

Probably decided "pre-CV19". Now more folk can and do work from home -> less car commutes -> less mileage -> less pollution saving BUT more problems because cars aren't getting used as much so not emptying/filling tanks -> E10 problems. But policies can't be reversed or delayed so easily so we get stuck with it.

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36088626)

Here we go again, making things worse while attempting to make things better.

Who's behind this latest one? Is it petrol companies, car manufacturers, the Govt, environmental activists, Disney?

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36088681)

I wouldn't put anything other than Super Unleaded in the 'Tang.

Originally Posted by idi banashapan (Post 36088714)

You don't buy a performarce car and then put crappy fuel in it! I'm anal about using V-Power petrol in my cars and will go out of my way to get it.

Originally Posted by idi banashapan (Post 36088714)

You don't buy a performarce car and then put crappy fuel in it! I'm anal about using V-Power petrol in my cars and will go out of my way to get it.

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36088831)

I know nothing about this, so just to be clear, this is just petrol, nothing to do with diesel ?

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36088848)

I once saw a guy in the Lidl car park filling up with a trolley-load of cooking oil.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36088866)

There used to be a thing a while ago where people were collecting the old oil from fish and chip shops, filtering it and using that

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36093451)

Just a bump for those that are unaware

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36093453)

In other words, it's garbage and you should stay well clear.

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36093456)

My car, and apparently 600,000 others are incompatible with it, and no petrol station in my area will respond as to whether they will stock E5 Super (more expensive) or not.

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36093464)

My Tesco has replaced E5 at its pumps with E10 and renamed Unleaded Super to E5 Premium which is 11 pence more, i can easily see alot of people using E10 by mistake and causing damage to their cars.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36093470)

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It's another example of a misleading set of environmental claims. Same as calling electric vehicles, "zero-emission". The emissions occur elsewhere.
It's meant to reduce CO2 output by the engines, but misses out the bit that producing the ethanol, also produces CO2.:rolleyes:

Which is then likely to be used by various industries(food production, brewing) and released into the atmosphere anyway.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36093471)

So how do you like to get transported from A to B, and how do you carbon offset it Mr/Ms/Miss/Mrs Nomadking?

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36093714)

My niece has a Ford Ka, (which has a Fiat 500 engine in it),
The other week she filled up and got a warning light show up, she took it to a guy who asked had she filled up, he plugged the car in but nothing showed up.


We've told her to put E5 in, then told her I put ultimate diesel in at £1.50 a litre, and cried when my last fill was £78.

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36093715)

Diesel into a petrol car? :confused:

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36093715)

Diesel into a petrol car? :confused:

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36093715)

Diesel into a petrol car? :confused:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36093716)

That'll be the big end warning light.:D

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36093724)

I was wondering about that as well. :erm:

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36093758)

No, I was saying that E5 is now BP Ultimate Petrol, and that I pay £1.50 a litre for mine

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36093714)

My niece has a Ford Ka, (which has a Fiat 500 engine in it),
The other week she filled up and got a warning light show up, she took it to a guy who asked had she filled up, he plugged the car in but nothing showed up.


We've told her to put E5 in, then told her I put ultimate diesel in at £1.50 a litre, and cried when my last fill was £78.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36093766)

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36093768)

Is it panto season already Seph?

Oh no he didn't!:D

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36093770)

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36093782)

The comma does not negate the use of the word diesel.

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36093792)

I mentioned E10 to a mate, who frowned immediately. No storing petrol for his lawnmowers, chainsaws, and hedge trimmers, unless he pays the extra for E5 super. Another added cost to his ailing business.

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36093792)

I mentioned E10 to a mate, who frowned immediately. No storing petrol for his lawnmowers, chainsaws, and hedge trimmers, unless he pays the extra for E5 super. Another added cost to his ailing business.

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36093799)

There are options for E10 https://www.sta-bil.co.uk/blogs/news...t-your-vehicle

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36093799)

There are options for E10 https://www.sta-bil.co.uk/blogs/news...t-your-vehicle

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36107332)

Don't buy E10.

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36107360)

I use Premium Diesel

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36107364)

I wouldn't be able to use E10, my car needs premium petrol.

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36107324)

Our young neighbours got caught by track and trace, then positive PCR tests, so had a 3-week rollercoaster ride at home with covid-19.

At the beginning of last week, now recovered, the husband asked to borrow my battery charger as both their cars refused to start, and the batteries went flat.

2 days later, the cars would still not start, so he recharged the batteries once more and got a mechanic to have a look.

He found that the E10 fuel in both had undergone phase separation and had absorbed water, so he drained the petrol tanks, flushed the fuel systems and added new fuel.

Perfect starts for both cars.

The mechanic told them that this was a growing problem, especially when cars were being left unused due to illness or WFH.

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36093792)

I mentioned E10 to a mate, who frowned immediately. No storing petrol for his lawnmowers, chainsaws, and hedge trimmers, unless he pays the extra for E5 super. Another added cost to his ailing business.

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36143333)

He gave up and moved to all-electric tools and a small generator.

A garage killed my 27-year-old Skoda, no parts available, so I was about to scrap it, but got an enquiry from a guy in Poland. He sent a mechanic to do a thorough inspection, then offered me £750. It was in my bank minutes later, and the car was taken away the next day.

So now I have moved on to an E10-compatible 2019 Dacia Logan MCV. It's got a titchy engine, so won't really benefit from E5 Premium. The tank is HDPE, so the rust problem is moot, but the low mileage I do throws up the problem of phase separation: keep the tank close to full to reduce the amount of humid air it is exposed to, but have to lug that extra weight around (it's got a 50 litre tank); or keep the tank almost empty, causing more humid air to be in contract with it.

I've been trawling the internet about the additives available in the UK, but none seem to have proper science behind them. :(

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36143337)

lmfao...:D

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36143416)

The primary route for water contamination in fuels was determined to be via condensation in fuel tanks, not by simple contact with damp air. The droplets would sink to the bottom of the tank and be absorbed by the ethanol as it broke down by phase separation, which could take weeks or months, depending on conditions.

According to CSP (https://www.cspdailynews.com/fuels/3...ase-separation) it only takes 40 gallons of water in 10,000 gallons of E10 to cause phase separation. That's 250:1, so in a 50 litre Logan fuel tank, just 20cl of water would do it. That's less than a pub measure of spirits.

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They changed the front disks, hubs, callipers and pads in December 2021. They also changed a back tyre.

When I took the car for that same tyre to be repaired elsewhere after picking up a nail, I was told that they were having difficulty getting the wheel nuts back on. They showed me stripped threads in the hub.

They managed to get the wheel on secure, but suggested the hub be changed.

So l took the car to the original garage for it's service and MOT in December 2022. No call from them later in the day, but they sometimes take 2 days to get it done, so I didn't call until early the next day. No-one answered the phone. Several phone calls didn't get answered throughout the day. But on the third day they answered, blaming a glitch that cut their phones off.

The boss came on the phone and said that my car was a write-off. Their pneumatic hammer tools that tighten the wheel nuts had been wrongly calibrated by an outside firm, and had been tightening them far too much. He had spent 2 days trying to find replacement parts, both front and rear hubs, but they were in stock nowhere, even in Czechia where they were made.

A few other customers had their hub threads stripped also, and one went to Trading Standards. The garage owner was told to recall all vehicles they had removed and replaced wheels on. That was in the summer of 2022, but for some reason my car had not been recalled.

He reported my car as "damaged beyond repair" to Trading Standards and their own insurance company, including photos and bills for the work that had been done, in 2021 and 2022.

It's with the insurance companies now, so I expect a fat cheque at some point.

Originally Posted by martkt10 (Post 36143427)

You could just remove the ethanol from the petrol , i do so my lawn mower keeps running ok

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36143428)

Surely it’s more cost effective to just use premium unleaded than to muck about separating the ethanol from E10?

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36143430)

For something like a lawnmower, where you only need a few litres. its not hard or expensive.
All you do is mix it with water, shake, leave, and drain away the water. However, its not really practical to keep doing it to fill a car.

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36143419)

What was the valuation of your old car?

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36143464)

I would have thought a 27-year-old Skoda would be scrap material.

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36143464)

I would have thought a 27-year-old Skoda would be scrap material.

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36143497)

just 20cl of water would do it.

That's less than a pub measure of spirits!

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36143519)

What pub do you drink in?! :shocked:

(20cl is about a third of a pint)

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36143497)

Back on subject:

The primary route for water contamination in fuels was determined to be via condensation in fuel tanks, not by simple contact with damp air. The droplets would sink to the bottom of the tank and be absorbed by the ethanol as it broke down by phase separation, which could take weeks or months, depending on conditions.

According to CSP (https://www.cspdailynews.com/fuels/3...ase-separation) it only takes 40 gallons of water in 10,000 gallons of E10 to cause phase separation. That's 250:1, so in a 50 litre Logan fuel tank, just 20cl of water would do it.

That's less than a pub measure of spirits!

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36143519)

What pub do you drink in?! :shocked:

(20cl is about a third of a pint)

Originally Posted by raging bull (Post 36143503)

When it comes to petrol garden equipment, E5 is the prefered fuel.

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36143551)

OOPS! I blame the house double I had earlier. ;)

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Ethanol strips oil in 2-stroke engines, I have been told. So they tend to run dry and get a lot of wear. But are most 4-stroke these days?

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36143553)

They are, but come the end of the season you can be left with fuel sitting in the tank and lines for 4 months. Also it’s unlikely petrol mower manufacturers have been as diligent as car manufacturers at ensuring their various hoses and seals aren’t attacked by the ethanol.

Plus, if you use a petrol mower chances are you have other petrol tools, and these invariably use 2-stroke engines. So unless you want to keep two cans sitting around you might as well put premium in everything.